If Kerry Rolled Over in 2004, will he get your vote in 2008?

[Jack_Dawson]

Poll question: If Kerry Rolled Over in 2004, will he get your vote in 2008?

"Objection: Prejudicial"

Sorry but seriously...he has put his career above his party and his country. People stand ready to fight for him, yet he'd rather slink back to the Senate w/ his tail between his legs.

This is the guy who had OUR back?

Words cannot express my disappointment in this putz.

This election was over after the New Hampshire primary.

My $.02

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. better question

will there be an election in 2008

[Jack_Dawson]

5. A paperless one, I'm sure

[nickinSTL]

9. Sure, but it'll be as legitimate

as all those elections for Saddam Hussein, or the elections a couple years ago for Pervez Musharraf.

There will be elections, the GOP will win big, as expected, and it'll all be paperless.

[bif]

2. No, I'll vote Republican

Because they've proven they really care about me. NOT!

[rock]

3. No. Of course, the act is still playing

We'll see what happens.

[eataTREE]

4. Fuck him, conceding just 'cos more people voted for the other guy!

What was he thinking??????? :eyes:

[merh]

13. I would not want him as my candidate, so I would not vote for

him in the primary if it is true that he will not NOW FIGHT FOR THE votes he won and fight for our nation.

If he does nothing regarding the election theft, then I can only surmise that he is in cohots with the weed's evil people.

No one who campaigns for 600 days and invests as much as he has gives up so easily when it is obvious the election was rigged and votes were stolen unless he is part of the plot!

[patinor4america]

31. NOT!!!

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

6. He wouldn't get my vote in the primary...

but for all I care would could end up nominating a pet rock and I'd vote for it over ANY republican in a general election.....wait- didn't we just nominate a rock?

[merh]

14. Pet rock!

LOL - thanks for the chuckle & I share your sentiment!

[Chimpanzee]

7. You probably should have worded it whether you would vote

for Kerry in the primaries, because in the general election I'm voting ABAR in 2008 (Anyone But A Republican).

[hlthe2b]

8. I think one might answer differently in primary versus general election...

If Kerry has disappointed us by totally rolling over and doing NOTHING on the sidelines, yet still manages to get the nomination, my guess is everyone will hold their nose and back him--maybe even vigorously, given our desperation.

[magellan]

10. If indeed he has rolled over

he gets nothing but my contempt, and the Democratic Party will have to convert to devout liberalism for 2008 before I'll vote for them again. I've had it with corporate politics in our government.

[patricia92243]

11. Sorry, but I want to win!!

[xxqqqzme]

12. 2nd prez election

I have felt betrayed by a DLC lackey. Was expecting a fight in '00; '00 DEMANDED the Dems have troops in place. enticed us all w/ that carrot on the stick thing - 'electability' - nope not again. Probably voting green from here on. At least, as a green, I won't B suckered N2 thinking 'we're gonna count every vote'!

[zulchzulu]

15. Let's count air and call it votes so Supreme Court will rule in our favor

Yeah. I can't believe Kerry would give up on an election because the votes done with paperless electronic machines can't be counted.

New chant: Let's count the air! Let's count the air! Let's count the air! Let's count the air!

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[oldtime dfl_er]

17. John Kerry is an authentic hero

for his service to this country thusfar. However, his legacy will be small because in this, THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN OUR LIFETIME, he has chosen his "career" over fighting for the rights of millions of Americans. If any Democrat steps to the plate and takes on the fight for free and fair elections, with PAPER TRAILS, that person will go down in history as a great American patriot. We are still waiting for that person.

[genius]

18. Kerry should be tarred and feathered.

What a traitor!

[BattyDem]

19. In another thread ...

"Delusional" posted a message that sums up my feelings perfectly:

"My willingness to support any democratic candidate in the future depends on the DNC and Kerry's support of our efforts to make sure that this was a fair & legal election.

If they can't support the count the vote efforts and the battle for a paper audit trail -- then how can we be sure that the next dem candidate will fold too soon again?"

(Note to Delusional: I hope you don't mind that I quoted you, but I feel exactly the same way you do. ) :toast:


I'll add a few thoughts of my own ...

I didn't support Kerry in the primaries. A lot of us didn't. Yet, when he got the nomination, we all stood up and got behind him. We "spread the word" and got friends and relatives behind him. We told them he was the "real deal". The Democrats had donations and volunteers like they never had before. And less than 24 hours after the polls closed, while the votes were still being counted and the exit polls were clearly showing something was wrong, Kerry conceded - even though he and John Edwards PROMISED that all the votes would be counted, even though he told us that he "had our back". He walked away so as not to upset the status quo and hurt his career.

If this is it ... if Kerry's gone for good and he's not going to support our efforts to, at the very least, make sure the next election isn't rigged, then screw him! I will not support him or any other Dem in 2008. I don't see how any of us can. It's time to say goodbye to the Dems and create a "people's party" ... with Howard Dean, Wes Clark and Dennis Kucinich leading the way. JMHO

[Generator]

25. I agree and it was so sad seeing the Kerry/Edwards banner taken down

from DU's front page.

I suppose Kerry really thinks he lost and there was no chance. I suppose he thinks he can "put up the fight" in the Senate.

But, honestly, without a verifable election, there is no Democracy. IT matters to not just us wacky political types here on DU,but to lots of people that are never going to know there was anything wrong with this election. All they know is who they thought they voted for lost, Repukes rule! and voting is pointless. They won't be standing in the rain again until midnight. They won't believe again.
It's a sad legacy and it hurts that Kerry doesn't see it.

Because I think he's a good man, but sometimes you have to risk everything (future good works) to make anything worth it.

I'm so sad and disapointed. And he won't have the votes in 2008 even if the Democrats are stupid enough to make him the nominee again.

I, too, we'll be voting third party or not at all for President if the voting system in this country is not radically different by then.

[patinor4america]

30. Totally agree!

You took the words right out of my mouth about supporting Dem's in the future. I wasn't sure it was good form to say so on a site named "Democratic" anything. But I've given my last penny to the DNC, that's for sure. And I'm thinking I'll be reregistering in another party soon. Maybe go back to Indy like before.

Speaking of Indy, anybody seen Indy in Texas for Kerry, from the blog???

[BattyDem]

35. I don't want to leave the Democratic party but,

I feel like the Democratic Party has left me. They don't stand for anything ... they don't fight for anything ... they don't want to rock the boat and they keep trying to be "Republican-lite". Democratic Underground is full of real Democrats ... I just wish the DNC was full of real Democrats, too. :-(

[xkenx]

20. Kerry Was Seen as Best ABB-Not in '08

My guess is that Kerry will be toast for 2008. Pre-Iowa caucus, Kerry reaped the benefits from Dean's meltdown and was seen as the best "ABB" because of his war record + long term Democrat. Won't happen again. He brought on the flip-flopper charges and didn't have a focused campaign with a consistent forward-looking theme. Kerry will be perceived as a loser --very shallow support.
On the other hand, the media ignored, and the DNC was afraid of, the best candidate to take on Bush---Wes Clark. Think about it--Arkansan, poor "heartland" upbringing, Vietnam war hero, helped create the modern volunteer army, 4-star general, international diplomat for Balkan peace, led Bosnian war, responsiblities like a governor for his troops (career advancement, schools, dependents, equal rights, social issues). Throughout the primaries (for those actually watching) Clark had a mainstream Democrat message which included hope, faith, values. He had all the attributes of John Edwards but with far more leadership experience, and actual war +
military experience.
To this day the still-running Clark campaign blog gets thousands of hits PER DAY! Once people have discovered this national treasure, they are willing to run thru brick walls to follow him. His depth of support is unlike anything I have seen since Bobby Kennedy.
So it's CLARK '08, if the Democratic Party has any sense.

[qwlauren35]

21. It's sad to say but...

Kerry is dead to me. Politically dead in the most fundamental way. He is "unelectable", and I have no interest in trying that route again.

[Helga Scow Stern]

22. If he rolls over, we can't say there won't be another election,

but the Party will not be as we know it now. If it even still exists, if it, and Kerry roll over now. They are rolling over into their own (political) graves.

[KansDem]

23. Like that "wise old sage" once said...

"Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice...and you never get fooled again!"

[Dark]

24. He's a shit-fucking bastard who deserves as much credit as Zell Miller.

If the Democratic Party allows him to continue to be in any political position, save president if the fraud thing breaks, then I'm voting green.

[HeeBGBz]

26. Depends on what happens in the next few weeks.

I am about to write M.I.A. over my Kerry bumper sticker. If he doesn't back the people finding the vote fraud then I'm done with him. I keep thinking he's gonna pull a rabbit out, but if he doesn't then he is done as far as I'm concerned.

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[sandboxface]

28. We can't rely on politicians to do the job for us...

We're better off doing it ourselves. Democratic Underground is one of the few examples of Democracy left in this country. Here, we work together to figure out what's going on in this country.

[patinor4america]

29. $60,000 Question, isn't it?

I said right after he conceded that I never wanted to see his face again. After that I began to feel he was a prince to us. After that I began to think......and I've come to this stance:
I believe he did the wrong thing, but for the most noble of reasons. I believe he truly thought it was the best thing for America to do what he did (or not do what he didn't). I can't help loving the whole bunch of them still, they represented compassion and dedication to the American Dream like we've never seen in our lifetime (well, at least since Kennedy, but I'm not sure Kerry-Edwards and families didn't trump even Kennedy).

So I can't rale at Kerry, I just can't.

But I don't think I'd elect him again, now that he's given up like he did. I think it was a fatal error in judgment, with all of us ready for the fight.

And we still are, but where are our leaders???

It only takes one who will stand up and be counted, and we'd FLOCK to him or her so fast the rethugs would be spinning in the wind, but this time not because they wanted to.

[LittleClarkie]

34. That's reasonable

I don't agree, but I appreciate the credit you give him.

I will back him in 08 if he decides to run.

[Rangerfan1994]

32. I will wait and see

If it turns out in the end he did nothing after all the fraud and errors stuff came out, then no i won't vote for him in 08.

But i feel we still need to wait and see.

I have not given up on John Kerry yet!

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. I didn't vote for him in the primaries.

I don't see a reason to prefer him to other democratic candidates in 2008 unless he's the incumbent. Not holding my breath on that one.