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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:15 AM
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Am I wrong, or is everything basically stalled/hosed up re: reform?
We have a bogus commission. Seems that's about it...

Am I missing something? It looks like we're going to hit 2006 in WORSE shape than 2004 on the integrity/vulnerability front...
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:21 AM
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1. That's why you need to take it LOCAL.
God forbid that they set some "national standards" and take the decisions away from the states. If you're not talking to your reps, better start.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:22 AM
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2. I have. Trouble is I'm in a red state. nt
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:26 AM
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3. You don't have Dem reps?
Edited on Tue May-10-05 01:26 AM by Carolab
Talk to them. In fact, beat them over the head with it.

I have been doing this with one of my reps. He writes me back, and I write him back. He is beginning to take some notice of me and what I have to say.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:57 AM
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5. Don't make it partisan.
Tell the Pukes it's a Law and Order issue. Tell them you vote for them sometimes and you want your vote to be counted as cast. Tell them the vote is unverified, etc.

The first thing to do is see what laws or bills already exist. You may be surprised at what you'll find!

If you're talking voting rights, then yes, Red state could be a problem. But you should still take THAT to the Dems! Tell them they have nothing to lose.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:23 AM
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9. I'm on this and recruited people and the lot. But there is no
major controversy here, so it's not on radar.




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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:37 PM
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17. No major controversy?
Edited on Tue May-10-05 02:38 PM by Bill Bored
You mean you have voter-verified paper ballots, mandatory manual random auditing, no paperless e-voting, no voter suppression, no close local contests, no trouble getting recounts, no unexplained exit poll discrepancies, no partisan election officials, no privatization of vote counting (in secret)?

If so, maybe I'll move there! Which Red state is this that's being run so well with such free and fair elections? Is it actually in the USA?
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:49 PM
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19. Your question equates controversy w/ vulnerability. They're not the same.
Do we need work? Yes. Is it even on radar? No. The view is the problems are in Ohio, etc., among those who are even open to the idea of fraud.

I am very active -- not a week goes by that I don't do something, either nationally or locally.

The trouble with local reform, even if no one wants to hear it, is that the "good ol' boys" can control everything in some states. Should we push locally?

Yes. But we have to keep fighting at the national level. My view is that if things are stalled, we figure out other angles. Hence, my question, which evidently is unpopular.

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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:15 PM
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23. Which state is it?
I see. Well, it does seem as if the feds are dragging their feet and that's being generous.

I'm planning on the government being shut down over this anti-filibuster crap pretty soon.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:38 PM
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26. AZ. You know, it's funny how the shut down will work against us. Seems
like there could be some spin there, though, tying it all together (assault on democracy).

But when the articles came out about Iraq rejecting our offers to help them rig the election, I thought it would be enough evidence of on the willingness/"would they?" front that we'd get journalists off their butts.

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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:30 AM
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4. They are going down
one way or another. They are few we are many. We know(the facts) and they can't stand it,they want us to go away and we will not. NGU
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:42 AM
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6. yes make it local-------------------- heres' my plan
Privatize our elections then privatize Social Security, right?

Recently it has come to our attention that the Essex County Supervisor of Elections has decided to purchase Touchscreen Voting machines (DRE's, Direct Recording Electronic) from Sequoia. These Voting Machines will not be equipped with the paper receipt printer. This is unacceptable.

During this time of Federal, State, and County budget deficits, the need for fiscal constraint is clear. The County Supervisor of Elections has chosen the most expensive Voting system currently available. This is unacceptable.

Of the voting systems that qualify for funds under the Help America Vote Act of 2002, a touchsreen voting system is three times as expensive as the next cheapest system, optical scanners. One optical scanner can process up to 360 paper ballots per hour. One DRE or touchscreen voting machine can process up to 10 ballots per hour; one person can count 20 paper ballots for President in one minute. When one factors in the cost of warehousing, keeping the batteries charged, ballot writing and preparation of touchscreen voting machines, and remember you need 10 times the number of touchscreens compared to optical scanners, the choice is clear. The optical scanner is the fiscally responsible purchase. And if you consider that the optical scanner feeds ballot information into a computer--your vote still ends up in the computerized corporate ballot box. It becomes obvious that without the Federal funds from HAVA these computerized voting systems would not viable choices.
Our task is clear: education and action.1) Educating the public as to the issues of cost and the reliability of voting into a Black Box; 2) Developing a mandate from this educational process; and 3) using the mandate to take action that effects positive change. Strategically speaking we need a multi-pronged approach for the effort to stem the tide of DRE's entering Essex County. If we set the standard in Essex County, the other Counties in N.J. will know that it can be done.

Here are 8 paths to victory:

1) Media outreach
2) Community outreach
3) Pubic Officials outreach
4) Educational forums
5) Rallies/Protests
6) Referendum
7) Court action
8) County grassroots leadership council
9) Town resolutions banning DRE's
10) The Plan

Individual Tactics

Media Outreach
Getting earned media coverage requires the exploration of different possibilities. Every meeting and forum can be an opportunity to write and send out news releases. Getting public officials with name recognition to attend an event is an excellent way of getting earned media coverage of the event. Letters to the Editors of local news papers is another good tool.

Community Outreach
One effective method of reaching out and engaging members of our communities are educational forums. These forums are the tools with which we build a mandate. We can also apply classic GOTV methods to the outreach effort, canvassing, phone banking and handing out flyers at supermarkets and train stations. Recruiting volunteers from the recently converted adds to our ranks and helps build turnout at public events. These volunteers can then recruit more volunteers. The message "BBV (Black Box Voting) costs too much money" will resonate with the largest group of voters, with an underlying message of, "you can't trust BBV". The more that people are talking about BBV, the closer we are to our goal.

Pubic Officials Outreach
Email and letter writing to public officials will ensure that they know where their constituency stands on the issue. Inviting public officials to every event is a must, as is the earned media effort behind each event. Letters to the editor, can also be effective. Contacting community, civic, religious, and labor organizations asking them to come on board to support our Public Officials, will swell our ranks, enlarging the numbers at public events. The show of support for any public official whosupports our goal is vital, They must be informed that by supporting the drive to rid Essex County of DRE's they are earning our vote come November.

Educational forums
Create a series of public educational forums in each town in Essex County whose objectives are to explore the pros & cons of computerized voting systems, and to engage the voting public, their elected representatives, and the Media in the larger effort to rid Essex County of DRE's. These forums will provide an excellent opportunity to get some of that earned media. Every town should hold public forums. Certainly standardization using video or DVD based presentations is a viable option. Creating a County "Team" to go on tour might be a way getting the job done.

Rallies/Protests
During a political campaign these activities are sometimes referred to as "visibility". They also provide an opportunity for earned media. Six people with poster board and some markers, making signs that say: " Paper Ballots" and "Ban Computerized Voting" going out to a busy intersection for 2 hours may be seen by 1000 people. Those 1000 people will have those 2 phrases on the tip of their tongue for at least 48 hours. And they will most likely tell someone about what they saw.

Referendums
Getting a county by county "Ban Computerized Voting" on the ballot in November is an excellent idea. A winning effort will require state wide volunteer recruiting. In other words, a lot of hard work. This effort can fit hand in glove with other efforts. The education of the voting public as to the problems of Computerized Voting is essential irregardless of the tactic being employed.

Court action
In the court house an existing law suit to work with. Open Government/sunshines laws in NJ states that the DRE's with their "Top Secret" source code are illegal. Asking for an Injunction to stop delivery of the DRE's to Essex County will buy us time and put adjoining counties on notice. Suing Seqouia as voters in the state of Washington did is also a possibility.


County grassroots leadership council
One strategy is to call for a series of county wide leadership summits to bring all the grassroots groups together to hash out common tactical and strategic doctrines as well as to coordinate a front line legal attack. It may make sense to invite the leadership of community, religious, labor, and civic organizations as well.

Town Resolutions banning DRE's
Every town should be pressured to pass a resolution banning DRE's. Before beginning the resolution effort, each town should have had at least three if not five or six educational forums on BBV. A full Media blitz should be undertaken in the local newspapers and TV using press releases for events and letter to the Editors.

Tactical review
The need to build a foundation before building a house should be quite clear to everyone. In our case we need to do the same. Our foundation starts with Educational forums. But these forums need to be conducted in coordination with a Media, community and pubic officials outreach. Inviting members of Congress to speak at or attend a forum when Congress is in recess gives us a realistic chance of their participation and an opportunity for some good earned media. Letters to editors and public officials thanking the public officials for their support gives ustwo2 opportunities for earned media before the forum and one after, besides educating the public as to the issues of cost and reliability of voting into a Black Box. It is imperative that a mandate be developed from this educational process, and that that mandate be used to take action that effects positive change.

Once these events have engaged the communities we should be ready to use our political capital to pass Town Resolutions banning DRE's. By now each member of the town government should have been invited to each event, and asked to attend or participate in each forum. Providing town officials with educational materials above and beyond the call is a must. Any concerns or questions they have should be addressed directly. Any opportunities to engage these officials in a private meeting should be taken full advantage of. During this process a petition drive should be initiated to get a question on the ballot in that county. A County referendum to ban DRE's should take full advantage of all momentum gained to this point. An educated County resident is more likely to vote in their own self interest to ban DRE's.

Rallies & Protests get the same media treatment as forums, a coordinated media, community and pubic officials outreach. Rallies and protests are invaluable for an issue oriented campaign. We know the benefits from the Civil Rights and Vietnam War movements. Rallies and protests give our issue good visibility and earned media. While engaging the community and public officials, an event gives them an opportunity to show their support. And don’t forget those letters of thanks for any Public Officials that support or show up for any event. These events should be organized county wide, and just like the instructions on a bottle of shampoo: repeat if necessary.

As far as I'm concerned any time is a good time for a legal action. Injunctions and law suits may ultimately prove to be the home run that wins the game. And finally every group in New Jersey has to be one the same page. And towards that goal, a County grassroots leadership council should be formed to coordinate all efforts in the state.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:27 PM
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10. This $4 billion bribe to the states to purchase expensive, unreliable,...
...hackable, fraud prone voting machines with high service costs, from Bush's buddies at Diebold and ES&S, reminds me of the Firestone Rubber Company war against public transportation in Los Angeles many decades ago. The red car trolleys were thrown away, the tracks they ran on, which extended from downtown to the beach cities, were ripped out, and Los Angeles was committed to transportation by private automobiles, whose costs would eventually skyrocket in astonishing ways--including the cost of slaughtering over 100,000 Iraqis and taking over their country to control their oil--while billions of dollars in public funds were required to construct the L.A. freeway system. Other hidden costs that fell on ordinary people include the ever increasing costs of owning a car and filling it with gasoline, the health and ecological costs of city smog, the cost of car insurance, the cost in lives lost to fast driving, the psychological costs of stressful commutes, the destruction of communities to make way for more cars and more freeways, and the construction of urban and suburban landscapes to benefit cars and not people--creating horrible living conditions for many that include alienation in the suburbs, lack of access to nature in the inner city, lack of community, and lack of security and an increase in crime for all.

All this because Firestone wanted to sell more tires.

It's easy to despair over what we might term human folly. But humans are also learning machines. Born to learn. And we do seem to progress over time. And the very ability to think such a thought as how one might despair over the Firestone Rubber Company's destruction of the red car system indicates that many of us have a special brain function devoted to getting the human race out of trouble when we hit a cul de sac in our evolutionary development.

The destruction of the red car public transportation system in L.A. was not the fault of most humans, but rather of a small category of humans who are driven by greed, and whom the rest of us have not yet learned how to stop from making extremely bad decisions for the rest of us. Ask almost any human being, would you rather live in a concrete jungle gassed with smog, or in a sweet little cottage, whether urban or rural, surrounded with trees and flowers and flowing water and an unpolluted view of the starry sky at night, with friendly neighbors all around, and everything you need within a short walk or trolley ride, most would answer the latter, and also most would wish the more beautiful and human lifestyle for everyone.

But how to prevent the greedy from creating the concrete jungle gassed with smog, and forcing everyone but themselves and their rich friends to live in those conditions, eluded us, in the case of early Los Angeles city planning, despite our living in a democracy. However, democratic processes came into play later, with attempts to clean up the air, lower the speed limit, mitigate some of the impacts of freeways on communities, create safer cars, and with the building of an actual underground train system in L.A. (recently).

Now they want to count our votes electronically with secret, proprietary software controlled by companies with close ties to the Bush Oil Cartel. And those of us who are able to think about this with wisdom and historical perspective--or who even just know about it (not many do)--are faced with a blitzkrieg of raw power not unlike Firestone's political power in L.A. in the 1940s and 1950s. It is the height of human folly to permit these people to control our votes. How could we have permitted this to happen? How could we be contemplating giving them yet more of a lock on our elections?

As I said, it's easy to despair--but we must not despair, even if we can't stop it. At the least, we can plant seeds that will help future Americans and Californians one day reclaim their democracy, just as Angelenos and other Americans have had to struggle for cleaner air, safer cars, public transportation and other mitigations, such as parks and open space.

At the most, we may once and for all expose the greedy and the ways they engineer bad decisions for the rest of us, and find our way toward a democratic means to control what has become global corporate power, with "Firestones" crawling all over the earth and profiting the few at the expense of everything and everyone else. The evils of predatory capitalism have never been so evident--but no one has found a satisfactory solution for balancing the positive aspects of industry and trade with higher human values of equality, justice, fairness, democracy, and spiritual and physical health for all. Many have tried, particularly over the last century, with bloody revolution after bloody revolution. No one has succeeded.

There are some positive signs worldwide of a global trend toward democracy and justice--in spite of the Bush Cartel's every effort to the contrary--and a general desire to join together to save our planetary environment and promote peace--again, despite the horrible behavior of the Bush Oil Cartel, the arms dealers and other criminal syndicates.

As Americans, we are in a unique position to reign in the "Firestones" of the present day. That's WHY they want to control our voting system. (Control via political campaign contributions and media monopolies wasn't enough for them!) In a way, this is heartening--or it's heartening to be aware of it. Our vote is extremely valuable. Maybe that is the seed that we will be able to plant: Our vote is extremely valuable. We've taken it for granted. Not any more.

As for finding a way to get our corporate rulers off our backs, and off the backs of others, and of Mother Earth, and finding the best way to do this--peacefully and permanently--we are a very creative people, born of the revolutionary spirit of 1776, and as human beings, born to learn. We will find a way, and I'm sure that our movement for transparent elections is the first step on that path.



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:39 PM
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12. I meant to say thanks to FogerRox for the detailed local plan, but got off
...on my own thing (Firestone). Thanks, FogerRox! Excellent plan! Very useful!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:58 PM
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14. thanks PP--but your made a good analogy- good point
My goal is to create a document that can be used in other COunty's/ states to organize for positive results.

Im thinking of a " Election reform Road Show" thats goes from town to town-------
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:54 AM
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7. Yes, you are wrong. There is much going on.
Listen to the first five audio files from the "Nash-ional" conference (see another thread) and you'll hear what's going on in many states.

The only way that the Republi-Nazis will win is if we quit. And DUers are doers, not quitters.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:06 AM
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8. Don't think we should quit. Just looking at where we're at. nt
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:33 PM
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11. Hey I like that
DUers are doers, not quitters.

:toast:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:13 PM
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15. Effing hay right------------ >DUers are doers, not quitters
"you can have my civil rights when you pry them from cold dead hands"

When I was down in FLorida working for Kerry--I met a 92 year old army vet---WW2--Normandy-- he looked me in the eye and asked--"We going to take this guy out?"

I think about this 92 old guy nearly every day. Hes the reason I fight--he did his job---now its my turn. My dad served in the Pacific, on an Escort carrerer - just like 12 million others in the military--they had a job to do---they did it.

We have job to do. Just like that 92 year old amry vet hitting the beach in France------------------

I know now that my parents provided me with the best tools when they raised me. They got thru the depression then fought WW2. Those intrinsic tools they imparted to me and the millions of "MY FRIENDS"
are what it will take to win this fight.

IIRC this is Martin L. King said--

I have been to the Mountain top--
And though I may not get there with you ----

I have seen the promised land

------------
These M effers dont know how friggin pissed some of us are, and we number in the TENS OF MILLIONS
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truckin Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:26 PM
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16. Great Post!
My father also served in the Pacific as a Marine and was at the bottom of Mount Suribachi when the flag was raised on Iwo Jima. Whenever I get tired of this struggle, I think of what my father went through in WW2 and realize that this pales in comparison. We all need to be in for the long haul and do whatever we can to abolish DREs and get Voter Verified Paper Ballots.

Roger, I also copied and saved your step by step grass roots directions. As someone involved in a local education process, this is a great help.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:33 AM
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32. Another Friggin hero UR Dad--Semper FI HOO RAAAA Mother Fucker
Props to all the Peeps who worked in factory's & served in the military in WW2.

1st they fought the depression, then they fought for their lives and families. They showed us how--and now its our turn.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:57 AM
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34. I love this story, FogerRox! It is very inspiring! I've told it to...
...everyone I've met over the last few days. It really struck me deep. Thanks so much for posting it.

"We gonna take this guy out?"

Yup.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 01:44 PM
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13. Smartvoter, I want to say something about the tone of your post.
Edited on Tue May-10-05 01:54 PM by Peace Patriot
It seems to me you could have worded it differently, and much better, with certain things in mind:

1) As FogerRox lays out, this is a time of recruitment. We need energy and enthusiasm, and newly inspired volunteers. We have a great educational and organizational task ahead of us. Although we should always be discussing strategy, and the in's and out's of where the movement is, strategcally, posts like this, that just tend to deflate people, on first viewing, and that stress failure, or slowness, are very counterproductive;

2) This is a long haul movement against very, very great forces that are seeking to consolidate fascist control of our country--we should not be expecting easy victories, or a sudden turn-around. There is not going to be a national solution to this problem. That's what your post implies--that suddenly the news monopolies are going to pick this up and make it happen, or suddenly the Bush "pod people" in Congress are going to see the light and give us back our right to vote, or somehow those Democratic Party "white knights" are going to intimidate them into doing so. Ain't gonna happen. And we shouldn't be waiting around impatient for that to happen, and complaining about the slowness, and the "fits and starts" accomplishments of building a grass roots movement.

By "everything basically stalled," I think you mean no current breakthrough in the news monopoly media, or no "white knights" giving speeches touting half-measures in Congress that have no hope of passing. So what? That doesn't mean that extensive organizing and deep learning is not taking place, and that word is not getting around.

You say "we have a bogus commission. Seems that's about it...." How about commenting on the fact that we figured out that it's bogus, that we've vetted its members and its origins, and that we are much better prepared now to anticipate how it intends to further corrupt our election system, and try to head it off. OF COURSE these people are going to try to trump real election reform! "We" had nothing to do with creating this "commission." So, it's not "we" who "have a bogus commission" and nothing more. It is THEY who have a bogus commission and nothing more. ("WE" had a REAL election reform meeting in Nashville, Tennessee--an amazing event that is sending revolutionary ripples throughout the land--resulting in the editors of the Chicago Tribune spiking not one but TWO columns about election fraud, to their everlasting shame! They could not have given a bigger signal of the profound impact of Nashville and this movement.)

If you read this forum regularly, you should know that election reform is not going to happen nationally--it is strongly blockaded there--and that the real action is at the state/local level, where great efforts are being made to educate and mobilize citizens for real reform. It is difficult, long term, and often unglamorous and unheralded work--and absolutely essential to recovery of our democracy.

I'm just asking for a little more thoughtfulness in posts like this. I'm not against dissent, strategy talk and expressing frustration. But I would like it to be informative and/or constructive.

Imagine you are a black citizen in Alabama in, say, 1955, trying to get your neighbors to go down to the courthouse and register to vote, even though you know there will be bigoted whites there trying to stop you. One person out of 20, say, agrees to go with you. And you both get stopped at the counthouse steps, taken around back and beaten up. And then some liberal newspaper columnist, reviewing these events, writes, "What did they accomplish? Not a single thing. Nobody got registered to vote. Others are now frightened to try it. The sheriff did a bogus investigation, and arrested the would-be voter registrants for causing a fray. Seems that's about it. Am I missing something? It looks like the Negro cause is in much worse shape now than it was before..."

Your sympathizes need to be turned more toward the courageous citizens who are leading this fight, and what they are doing against great odds, and you need to be not so focused on the bad guys' success at stifling the most important news of the year 2005: that we're still here, and that "we shall not be moved."
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 07:29 PM
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18. Waaaaaayyyyy over reading the question. I spend a great deal of time
on this -- every week -- and it appears to me that the movement is stalled. As to your assertion that I am focused on the bad guys' wins is inaccurate -- this is the only such post I've ever made.

Could I have worded it better? Probably, but it was the middle of the night and I was about to turn in and thought a post like this would either confirm that new tactics should be explored or there were some breakthroughs I needed.

I was putting a finger in the air.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:54 PM
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20. I agree with PeacePatriot. Overeading or not, we have an oppty to inspire.
There are a lot of fronts in this battle and a lot of people engaged in the battle. And I assume PP didn't mean it as a personal critique, will you see it as a constructive comment?

If you see a stalled area - apply pressure! :)

Believe!
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:27 PM
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24. Well,
this thread definitely isn't the direction I wanted it to go.

A. I'm thick skinned -- comes w/ political territory. No problem w/ post/response by PP.
B. I see the merit in keeping up morale, and agree w/ PP on it.
C. I posted late at night and quickly just before turning in last night and should have been a little more detailed. It sounds more negative than I intended.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:00 PM
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21. Agree with all you say; I nearly always do! The Koehler articles and the
Jim Lampley articles I'd say are breakthrough articles, as was Chris HItchen's article. It starts as a slow trickle...but enough slow tricles build to a mighty river. There are enough of us, and we are not getting smaller in our numbers. Just today I ran into a guy in a parking lot who commented on my Kerry bumper sticker and next thing you know, we were talking about the Lampley article and how the election was stolen, and he is going to come to our next reform group meeting and get on our mailing list.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:28 PM
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25. I agree w/ this. I've used that Hitchens article to open many eyes. nt
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rigel99 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:52 PM
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28. WE HAVE BREAKTHRU EVERYDAY... Ohio Teachin a Complete Success
I'm still in Ohio, why well because Diebold is taking over Ohio like the Borg and they need serious citizen action. i'm doing all I can from a renovated barn house in the lovely rural countryside...

bottom line, we have over 120 folks at the Teach-In... folks like Lynn Landis (sorry as hell I missed her workshop), and Linda Byrket teaching us how to become documentary video folks, and andy stephenson did his song and dance, and even Richard Phillips and Jonathan Simon and Cliff Arnebeck, and Susan Truitt, and Bob Fritrakis and his lovely wife Suzanne...

we really chewed the cud on the issues and we really developed solutions to moving to the next step.

We have set some high level strategy and we have sub groups that are starting newly aggressive 'legal angles' that you should all be hearing about soon.

either way, our TeachIN reminded me that people are not forgetting the momentum continues to build and there is SOOO SOOO much going on behind the scenes that we rightfully cannot know about because investigation takes some kind of secrecy to conduct.

either way, I attended a Licking County Democratic Club meeting. folks were like applausing me for my spiel on what has happened in Georgia and we converted a few more dems over the cause...

it may seem slow going folks, but this is not going away, it is gaining momentum and we all have to keep the enthusiasm and the good news from the trenches...

I will do a post on a man named Paul Harmon that found precincts with a 40% undervote becauase of unclean Chads in the lever machines.... his story is SO SO SO compelling someone needs to tell it, and I've decided I will interview him and post it here later...

bottom line guys, NO GIVING UP HERE... no friggin way.... sorry if others want to give up, fine good riddance, enjoy your country when martial law tells you when and how you post on DU... but for me I'm not going anywhere but more activist....
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:17 PM
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30. Diebold like the Borg - I like! Die-borg assimilating Ohio!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:40 AM
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33. Did the Ohio teach in get onto Video or DVD?
These events need to be chronicled and shared--you can use these materials to go town to town thru the entire county.

think ELection reform ROAD SHOW

In fact--if its available I would like a copy of the teachin--

NJ Voting Issues Project:

newjerseyvip@yahoo.com
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:14 PM
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29. Well said, Peace Patriot!
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Blue Shark Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:05 PM
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22. That is why I advocate...
...that the Dems play dirty too.

...Yes voting integrity should be sacrosanct, but since it isn't and hasn't been for three elections now it is time to take the gloves off.

..."Hack the vote 2006" needs to be our war cry or we will lose further ground to the thieves and thugs who have jobbed the system and robbed the democracy.

...We can out-code, and out manipulate the other side. The time has come to do so.

...And...Wouldn't it be nice for a dozen Senate races and 3 dozen House races to inexplicably flip from a slight republican lead the night before the election to a democaratic rout on election day?...We can then sit back as the other side cries foul and say:

..."AH ...sore losers...JUST GET OVER IT"
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:47 PM
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27. Next frame in that little film
The election is over. The dems have stolen it. But the Neocons are still in power during what is usually the "lame duck" period. You think they'll go peacefully?
You think they wouldn't find some way to nullify the election?
If it had to be another 9/11, it would be.

I'm trying to remember how I had the forethought to say, back in December 2000 when it became clear that Bush wasn't elected but was going to be sworn in, that I was worried that when it was time for him to leave power, whether after four years or eight, that he wouldn't go.

I fear that nothing we have done before will work now. We need new strategies. And we need them now.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 02:15 PM
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31. Speaking of breakthroughs! Jim Lampley crying foul on '04 is HUGE!
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