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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:07 PM
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Poll question: Has there been too much attention paid to exit polls in 2004?
Edited on Mon May-16-05 04:45 PM by smartvoter
What do you think? Please kick after you vote so it doesn't drop away. Thanks.

Question:

When considering all evidence of fraud in 2004, has there been too much focus by activists/reform advocates on the exit polls?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:13 PM
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1. Hell no!
Until they let us audit their computers, what else do we have to verify the vote? If thee was no fraud, then a) give us the raw exit poll numbers, and b) open up the evoting source codes. Until they do that, I'll take what I can get in exit poll # crunching.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:23 PM
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2. thanks for kicking... nt
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:40 PM
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3. Where?
Most of the people I run across wouldn't know an exit poll if you slapped them in the face with it. Define attention. We know the data shows disturbing anomalies. Translating the data into explanations that will stir the common man needs much more focus.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:44 PM
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4. Too much effort on our side focused in this area? The points you
make get at the heart of the question, from my point of view.

However, just having read your post about reporters following what the marketing department says to follow, I'm not sure any aspect would have generated attention, short of Kerry taking the gloves off and "creating" the story.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:45 PM
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5. Exactly
If someone else doesn't pick up the work and put it to use than we're spinning our wheels.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:50 PM
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6. My personal desire, at this point (6+ months past election) is that
machine vulnerability would "sink in."

We can't undo 2004. But we can try to get it stopped in 2006.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:57 PM
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7. I gotta prob with the question


I think that:
Exit polls are just one piece of evidence and documented computer fraud, vote suppression and other aspects have been drowned out by the attention given to them.

NO--I dont think that Too much attention has gone into the exit poll thing.

BUT--ELection fraud could be proved in court--and suppression aint cutting it there.

TO win in court:
1)exit polls count
2)open the damn DRE's up

What would those other issues do in a court case? NOt too much--------
In court you have prove your case--that means opening up DRE's with Exit polling as a supporting role.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:01 PM
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8. Sorry, not sure what problem you have in order to address it... nt
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:10 PM
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9. I take the yes answer and take out the word yes and type in the word no
Edited on Mon May-16-05 05:14 PM by FogerRox
SO it looks like this

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NO--Exit polls are just one piece of evidence and documented computer fraud, vote suppression and other aspects have been drowned out by the attention given to them.

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I agree with the above statement. But I dont think that the Exit poll issue has gotten too much attention.
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mgr Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:15 PM
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10. I think the focus on exit polls are in the way n/t
Edited on Mon May-16-05 05:16 PM by mgr
Like it or not, the exit poll conducted in 2004 was a disaster for addressing potential fraud, since we are no nearer to coming to grips with just what NEP did. And we have not even grappled with the LA Times exit poll.

There are simple statistical techniques to characterize problems in various counties and states that could have been performed in the last six or seven months. All you have to do is subtract total votes for president from ballots cast, or compare votes cast for president with senators to see if there are problems.

Mike
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 06:37 PM
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11. You mean 3m more votes for Dem Senators than Kerry, and things
of that sort, I assume.

I think you're right, but don't think the exit polls are a complete waste of time. I think the argument should be all of it together, plus the behavior of interested parties.
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Bravo411 Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 12:04 AM
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12. More attention should be brought to the fact that the vote....
More attention should be brought to the fact that the vote can not be verified.

Because of a lack of a verifiable paper trail, the results of the election can't even be verified. It can't be proved that Bush either won or lost the election. The whole election process was a sham.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:05 AM
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13. Answer:
It's not that too much emphasis has been on the exit polls.

It's that not enough emphasis has been put on the other stuff. There has been a lack of attention on the actual data of the real votes. This is where the smoking gun is. Phantom votes, vote switching, impossible results, way too many democrats voting for bush, etc... this is not getting enough attention.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:30 AM
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14. Neither is state's pending legislation. Or VR.
Or deprecinctification, or low low-income registration. Or Land Shark-like suits.
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