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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:02 PM
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Poll question: DU Poll: How do you spend your time working for fair elections?
How much time do you spend reading and posting to DU, talking about the movement in your inner circle, and educating yourself in other ways compared to the time you spend taking action regarding election fraud, reform, justice, etc?

I invite you to write a response about how you feel about your answer.

I'm asking this because I'm not happy with my own answer to the question, and am trying to make a change in my habits.
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48pan Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:05 PM
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1. Having worked at the polls in my area...
I can state without reservation that our elections are on the up-and-up. The manual recounts verify the scanned forms every time.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:52 PM
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2. What technology is used in your county?
Do you know if it's HAVA-compliant or will soon be replaced? Because if it's going to be replaced, your honest elections officials may need some good quality information about how to make sure their honest intentions aren't overridden by crooked machines.

If your county will soon be replacing its voting equipment, I recommend getting copies of VotersUnite's document "Mythbreakers" to your election officials as soon as possible. It can be downloaded (or you can order bound copies) at votersunite.org.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 05:00 PM
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3. excellent suggestion
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48pan Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:09 PM
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10. We use...
Paper scanners. The machines file ballots into three drawers:
1. No manual counting necessary.
2. Write-ins that need counting.
3. Irregular ballots.

We have the original ballots in every case and can recount them manually. I've seen at least a dozen manual recounts and the machines are very accurate. Unless someone draws circles around the ovals that are supposed to be filled in, they count perfectly. We have about 2500 voters in each ward. The recounts seldom change more than 7 or 8 votes. Those are the ones where the voters were too numb to fill in the ovals.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:36 PM
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11. Never heard of this system. Do you know what it's called?
Would you be willing to say where you're located?
Also, I'm still curious about HAVA compliance, because if the system doesn't comply with HAVA, it will have to be replaced soon. If you don't know, I can help you figure out how to find out if you can give me some more info, either here or via PM.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:52 PM
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4. kick
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 10:19 PM
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5. Emlev, sometimes I feel frustrated with all the time it takes to learn
about this issue, to keep up to speed with what is going on enough to be useful to the cause. I spend all my spare time working on election reform. Besides my yoga practice, work and my kids and spouse, this work seems like the most important thing I will ever do.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 10:54 PM
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6. yeah,
I know what you mean. It's a lot to keep up on. Maybe the best way to deal with that would be to specialize. We don't all have to be experts on every part of the issue.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:05 PM
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8. WOW
Me too. :) Hello fellow mommy/wife activist!
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:01 PM
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7. Montana voted out usage of Touch Screen Voting machine
I hope the rest of the states follow their example.
Keep spreading the news on stolen election of 2004.

:kick:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:07 PM
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9. reminder
Edited on Tue May-17-05 11:07 PM by helderheid

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

--President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1954

NEVER FORGET

http://velvetrevolution.us/Content/ElectoralReform/Video/Illegit_Election_2004-20-256.wmv
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Dee625 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:44 AM
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12. I just started with the recount
I work full time and have kids so I only have time now and then.
I happened to be on vacation the week of the recount so I did it.
Quite the eye opener.
I was off last weekend and made it to the teach-in in Columbus.
I'd like to do more whenever time allows.
I do hate that I was never able to reconcile any 2 numbers from the recount. That will always bother me.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:55 AM
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13. What do you mean
"I was never able to reconcile any two numbers from the recount?"

Please explain.
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Dee625 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:34 PM
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16. Exctly what it says
After doing the "recount" (I use the word loosely as they refuse to follow the law), I issued myself a challenge.

Using every bit of information I had (and knowing I didn't have it all due to them not allowing us to finish the job), could I match any 2 numbers. Could I match say the # of voters listed in a precincts poll book with the number of votes cast on the report given me by the BoE?
Could I match the # of absentee ballots reported by the ES&S machine to anything? Could I match the # of provisional ballots reported as cast on the SoS website minus the # reported as accepted on the SoS website (= the number rejected) to the # of rejected provisionals we were shown.

Could I match ANY 2 freekin' numbers?

NO.

I actually asked BoE employees if THEY could match any 2 numbers and was told no, don't try.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 11:49 PM
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17. Wow. Very interesting clarification. What county? nt
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Dee625 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:44 AM
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18. Washington eom
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 02:07 AM
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19. Oops. What state? eom
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Dee625 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 04:30 AM
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20. Ohio. :-) n/t
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:51 PM
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22. now I'm laughing at myself
Of course it was Ohio. When I clicked onto your "Washington Co." response, I got confused and thought I was talking to the person who'd responded to another of my posts having to do with voting technology. Now I'm all sorted out. (I'll check my personal counts and see if they match next time.)

Thanks for humoring me.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:37 PM
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14. Do you think response to this is low because of
people feeling uncomfortable with how little time they spend out there doing things compared to chatting about it on DU?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 04:14 PM
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15. I spend 20 to 40 hours a week in Grassroots effforts-generally speaking
Edited on Thu May-19-05 04:14 PM by FogerRox
Election reform takes up the majority of that time.

Recently:
Monday-drove taxi 7am to 5pm--
6pm to 9pm online
9pm offline- midnight-writing letters-- organizational docs. etc

tuesday drove taxi 7am to 5pm
online 5:30 to7pm
Meeting of local group working on Congressional race in NJ-7:30pm- 10pm
10:30 to 3 am--offline work


WEdnesday 7am to 5pm same shit
on line 5:30 to 8pm--
anti Iraqi war meeting until 9:45

offline work till midnight

this is the path to Victory

fight fight win win
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 05:21 AM
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21. This makes me ashamed.
I don't do nearly all that I should. I am not physically able to do canvassing or attend meetings, but I spend far too much time on email and not enough on writing actual letters that are printed out and mailed.

Thank you for posting this. I intend to start writing as many letters as my postage budget will allow.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 12:59 PM
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23. In all honesty I should say that I am not married and have no kids
But I live in NJ and I dont own a car--that does make things harder.

Privatize our elections then privatize Social Security, right?

Recently it has come to our attention that the Essex County Supervisor of Elections has decided to purchase Touchscreen Voting machines (DRE's, Direct Recording Electronic) from Sequoia. These Voting Machines will not be equipped with the paper receipt printer. This is unacceptable.

During this time of Federal, State, and County budget deficits, the need for fiscal constraint is clear. The County Supervisor of Elections has chosen the most expensive Voting system currently available. This is unacceptable.

Of the voting systems that qualify for funds under the Help America Vote Act of 2002, a touchsreen voting system is three times as expensive as the next cheapest system, optical scanners. One optical scanner can process up to 360 paper ballots per hour. One DRE or touchscreen voting machine can process up to 10 ballots per hour; one person can count 20 paper ballots for President in one minute. When one factors in the cost of warehousing, keeping the batteries charged, ballot writing and preparation of touchscreen voting machines, and remember you need 10 times the number of touchscreens compared to optical scanners, the choice is clear. The optical scanner is the fiscally responsible purchase. And if you consider that the optical scanner feeds ballot information into a computer--your vote still ends up in the computerized corporate ballot box. It becomes obvious that without the Federal funds from HAVA these computerized voting systems would not viable choices.
Our task is clear: education and action.1) Educating the public as to the issues of cost and the reliability of voting into a Black Box; 2) Developing a mandate from this educational process; and 3) using the mandate to take action that effects positive change. Strategically speaking we need a multi-pronged approach for the effort to stem the tide of DRE's entering Essex County. If we set the standard in Essex County, the other Counties in N.J. will know that it can be done.

Here are 8 paths to victory:

1) Media outreach
2) Community outreach
3) Pubic Officials outreach
4) Educational forums
5) Rallies/Protests
6) Referendum
7) Court action
8) County grassroots leadership council
9) Town resolutions banning DRE's
10) The Plan

Individual Tactics

Media Outreach
Getting earned media coverage requires the exploration of different possibilities. Every meeting and forum can be an opportunity to write and send out news releases. Getting public officials with name recognition to attend an event is an excellent way of getting earned media coverage of the event. Letters to the Editors of local news papers is another good tool.

Community Outreach
One effective method of reaching out and engaging members of our communities are educational forums. These forums are the tools with which we build a mandate. We can also apply classic GOTV methods to the outreach effort, canvassing, phone banking and handing out flyers at supermarkets and train stations. Recruiting volunteers from the recently converted adds to our ranks and helps build turnout at public events. These volunteers can then recruit more volunteers. The message "BBV (Black Box Voting) costs too much money" will resonate with the largest group of voters, with an underlying message of, "you can't trust BBV". The more that people are talking about BBV, the closer we are to our goal.

Pubic Officials Outreach
Email and letter writing to public officials will ensure that they know where their constituency stands on the issue. Inviting public officials to every event is a must, as is the earned media effort behind each event. Letters to the editor, can also be effective. Contacting community, civic, religious, and labor organizations asking them to come on board to support our Public Officials, will swell our ranks, enlarging the numbers at public events. The show of support for any public official whosupports our goal is vital, They must be informed that by supporting the drive to rid Essex County of DRE's they are earning our vote come November.

Educational forums
Create a series of public educational forums in each town in Essex County whose objectives are to explore the pros & cons of computerized voting systems, and to engage the voting public, their elected representatives, and the Media in the larger effort to rid Essex County of DRE's. These forums will provide an excellent opportunity to get some of that earned media. Every town should hold public forums. Certainly standardization using video or DVD based presentations is a viable option. Creating a County "Team" to go on tour might be a way getting the job done.

Rallies/Protests
During a political campaign these activities are sometimes referred to as "visibility". They also provide an opportunity for earned media. Six people with poster board and some markers, making signs that say: " Paper Ballots" and "Ban Computerized Voting" going out to a busy intersection for 2 hours may be seen by 1000 people. Those 1000 people will have those 2 phrases on the tip of their tongue for at least 48 hours. And they will most likely tell someone about what they saw.

Referendums
Getting a county by county "Ban Computerized Voting" on the ballot in November is an excellent idea. A winning effort will require state wide volunteer recruiting. In other words, a lot of hard work. This effort can fit hand in glove with other efforts. The education of the voting public as to the problems of Computerized Voting is essential irregardless of the tactic being employed.

Court action
In the court house an existing law suit to work with. Open Government/sunshines laws in NJ states that the DRE's with their "Top Secret" source code are illegal. Asking for an Injunction to stop delivery of the DRE's to Essex County will buy us time and put adjoining counties on notice. Suing Seqouia as voters in the state of Washington did is also a possibility.


County grassroots leadership councilv
One strategy is to call for a series of county wide leadership summits to bring all the grassroots groups together to hash out common tactical and strategic doctrines as well as to coordinate a front line legal attack. It may make sense to invite the leadership of community, religious, labor, and civic organizations as well.

Town Resolutions banning DRE's
Every town should be pressured to pass a resolution banning DRE's. Before beginning the resolution effort, each town should have had at least three if not five or six educational forums on BBV. A full Media blitz should be undertaken in the local newspapers and TV using press releases for events and letter to the Editors.

Tactical review
The need to build a foundation before building a house should be quite clear to everyone. In our case we need to do the same. Our foundation starts with Educational forums. But these forums need to be conducted in coordination with a Media, community and pubic officials outreach. Inviting members of Congress to speak at or attend a forum when Congress is in recess gives us a realistic chance of their participation and an opportunity for some good earned media. Letters to editors and public officials thanking the public officials for their support gives us two opportunities for earned media before the forum and one after, besides educating the public as to the issues of cost and reliability of voting into a Black Box. It is imperative that a mandate be developed from this educational process, and that that mandate be used to take action that effects positive change.

Once these events have engaged the communities we should be ready to use our political capital to pass Town Resolutions banning DRE's. By now each member of the town government should have been invited to each event, and asked to attend or participate in each forum. Providing town officials with educational materials above and beyond the call is a must. Any concerns or questions they have should be addressed directly. Any opportunities to engage these officials in a private meeting should be taken full advantage of. During this process a petition drive should be initiated to get a question on the ballot in that county. A County referendum to ban DRE's should take full advantage of all momentum gained to this point. An educated County resident is more likely to vote in their own self interest to ban DRE's.

Rallies & Protests get the same media treatment as forums, a coordinated media, community and pubic officials outreach. Rallies and protests are invaluable for an issue oriented campaign. We know the benefits from the Civil Rights and Vietnam War movements. Rallies and protests give our issue good visibility and earned media. While engaging the community and public officials, an event gives them an opportunity to show their support. And don’t forget those letters of thanks for any Public Officials that support or show up for any event. These events should be organized county wide, and just like the instructions on a bottle of shampoo: repeat if necessary.

As far as I'm concerned any time is a good time for a legal action. Injunctions and law suits may ultimately prove to be the home run that wins the game. And finally every group in New Jersey has to be one the same page. And towards that goal, a County grassroots leadership council should be formed to coordinate all efforts in the state.

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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 02:30 PM
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24. I'd be happy to help you figure out how you can do more
in a way that works in your life and with your disability.

Soon I'll be offering--in part inspired by this thread--Buy a copy of Bev's and/or other books and videos to donate to your local library or school
a one-time, inexpensive class via conference call on how people can get involved in ways that are meaningful, do-able and effective. I'll announce it on DU. If a conference call class wouldn't be accessible to you, please PM me if you want and we'll correspond about how to include you.

One of the issues we'll talk about is how can it ever feel like one is doing "enough" when there's so much less to do.

Thanks for responding.

emlev
www.juiceforjustice.com
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 03:04 PM
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25. yes--we need all the help we can muster--and there is a way for all to
fight back--

emlev rocks
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