Fill out MoveOn's survey on election reform & tell 'em deal with e-voting!

[Amaryllis]

http://political.moveon.org/eintegritysurvey/survey.html?id=6696-1269729-wq9u9klosv2zk8ailubifa&t=2
There are ten questions. I only checked this one:
5. Require electronic voting machines to print voter-verified paper records

And then in the place where you can put "other", said that all those others were important but if they don't deal with electronic voting and vote counting fraud, none of the rest will ultimatly matter. If I'd thought about it, I would have said they won't get anywhere with other issues like campaign finance reform if they don't deal with electronic voting fraud, because as long as elections can be rigged that way, congressional seats will continue to be stolen and we won't be able to get anywhere with other issues because we won't have legislators who represent the people.

Good chance to mention mandatory vote count audits and a ban on proprietary software, and no private corporations providing our vote counting software and computers.

[laheina]

1. done.

Does anybody know what the deal is with the "instant runoffs?" I haven't heard anything about that before.

[TexasProgresive]

4. Voting multiple candidates by ranking 1,2,3...

Instant runoff voting (IRV) is a voting reform that asks the voter to rank the candidates in order of preference. It is simple, common-sense reform that will greatly improve our democratic process.

IRV has many benefits including giving voters a wider range of choices, eliminating the spoiler factor with third-party candidates, saving taxpayer money, and decreasing negative campaigning.

We need to continue educating more Americans about this simple, practical reform. Click the links above to learn more about IRV and what you can do to help.

http://www.instantrunoff.com/

[cry baby]

2. done

[pauldp]

3. Done.

:thumbsup:

[freedomfries]

5. expert opinion on the survey

before filling out the MoveOn survey, check this short guide by Kathy Dopp from electionarchive.org that was posted here a while ago:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x410530

[autorank]

6. Ple

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x412108

Done, thanks!

[Jo March]

7. aRRGH!! It's Voter Verified Paper Ballots, not records!

A Ballot - it's a legal term. A ballot can be counted in the event a recount is warranted. A record that you voted could just be a piece of paper that says, "Arnheim, voted, 11/7/2004" but does not necessarily meet the standard of a ballot!

For the love of Andy, remember: VOTER VERIFIED PAPER BALLOTS!

[garybeck]

9. that is not correct

a printout on a DRE is NOT A BALLOT. As you say, it is a legal term. A ballot is only a ballot if it is counted. With DREs, the paper is only counted in a recount or audit. at that point it can BECOME the "ballot of record" if there is a discrepancy. but it simply is not a ballot before that point. it is a paper record. It can not be called a ballot if it isn't counted. It is a legal term. If they called it a ballot then they would have to count all of them and ignore the DRE votes all the time (which would be nice but that is not the intent of the legislation).

Ballot is a legal term. If it is not counted it can not be called a ballot. DREs can not produce paper ballots.

[Jo March]

10. Maybe I'm not being clear.

A record can be anything - it can be a scrap of paper that says, "Arnheim voted." If there is a recount, that "record" isn't worth the paper that it's printed on.

The record should meet all of the qualifications to stand as ballots in the event that the machine is challenged and the paper is counted instead.

Is that clearer?

I see the word "record" and that don't mean crap to me.

[garybeck]

12. you are correct

the word "paper record" on it's own is meaningless. but any proposed legislation that relates to the DREs and paper printouts will have a very clear definition of the paper record. In every legislation I've read, there is a stipulation that the paper record takes precedence in the case of a recount or audit. In this case, they often say that if there is a recount the paper record "becomes the ballot of record." then it can actually be called a ballot. it is confusing... but legally, the DRE printouts can not be called ballots. Once they call them ballots, they have to count them. They can't be on standby for a recount.

[Jo March]

13. Gary, I love you!

You are keeping us all honest!

:hug:

[Amaryllis]

15. printed on archievable paper, I believe is the term?Not toilet paper rolls

[SpaghettiGirl]

16. We might as well vote on toilet paper

Probably wouldn't have made a difference in 2000 and 2004 ;(

[nicknameless]

17. And not thermal paper that fades and becomes unreadable. n/t

[Patsy Stone]

8. Done!

K&R!

[Kurovski]

11. Done.

A while back.

[Melissa G]

14. already done.. but thanks for asking! n/t