I just got an email saying the Recount is OFF

[Laura PourMeADrink]

I do not know where to begin with all of this so I will just lay out the basic facts as they are being reported to me:



The state of New Hampshire ballot appeared to have been tampered with.
The people of America (and about half of the world too!) pulled together to sign a petition and have their voice heard, across the aisle, in an effort that has seen both Democrats and Republicans call for a recount of the ballots for the state of New Hampshire.
The Secretary of State placed a January 15th @ 15:00 deadline for the $55,600 to be handed over to cover the cost of the recount.
The money was raised by, again, people from all walks of life who simply wanted to see that every vote was counted.
At the very last moment, PayPal froze the Granny Warriors account and refused to release the funds whilst they “investigated” a “suspicious” $1000 donation.
The money could not be handed over and thus, at this point in time, it appears that the recount will NOT take place.


So, the following is what we are meant to believe:



PayPal have clearly not been paying ANY attention to what has been happening during this campaign and thus have no idea how quickly and in what amounts the Ron Paul Revolution is able to raise funds.
PayPal were clearly unaware that Ron Paul supporters were in the majority of those donating to this effort and would likely break the target REGARDLESS of what last minute donations were required.
PayPal were so unlucky during the four days that this appeal ran that they managed to:
Crash the original ChipIn at least 3 times making it impossible during this time to donate any money at all.
Destroy the original ChipIn altogether after around $40,000 had been donated requiring the Granny Warriors to start a new ChipIn for the remaining monies.
Crash the new ChipIn for about 2 hours on and off on the final fundraising date.
Stop the recount by denying that all and any funds received are now frozen (note: NOT just the $1000 which, by this point, was no longer needed as we were over the top by then) pending an investigation into where a perfectly decent sized donation came from.
The Secretary of State is unable to stretch the deadline or accept that said funds exist regardless of the amount of documented evidence placed on his desk.
This entirely calamitous and accidental chain of events was, at no point whatsoever, manipulated by anybody to ensure that this recount never took place.


I am sorry but I do not believe for one second that 1 through 4 could possibly have happened without 5 being false.



I never will either.



This is democracy being stolen, right in front of our eyes and we are watching it, some in disbelief, some in denial, all in bond.



America has been stolen and the vote with it.



I do not know what comes next. What new horrors? What new wars? What new laws?



I fear for the future of America.



Best wishes and good luck,



Shaun

[Bonobo]

1. Stolen right in plain sight. If we can't even get NH right, what about the GE? eom

[New Earth]

2. Not according to this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2696313

it has just started. The Republican's recount is on hold right now till they get the money.

[Sanity Claws]

3. Kucinich's campaign handed in a certified check yesterday

That's what I read.
Let's wait and see if there is an announcement later today.

[Dhalgren]

4. Delete - sorry...

[mod mom]

5. Here's some scoop-this is about the Republican Recount.

From the Manchester Union Leader today:

"There is no Republican recount at this point," Gardner said. If Howard were to come up with the money during the Democratic recount process, Gardner said he would make a decision on whether to start counting GOP ballots.
"If the money were to show up, I'd deal with it at that point," he said.

Gardner's office said a Republican recount would cost $57,600, based on an expected cost of 24 cents per ballot."


This is somewhat of a correction to the mass email saying 'no recount'

There is an issue of tying up funds paid on paypal. There is no a link yet but:

PayPal froze the Granny Warriors account and refused to release the funds whilst they “investigated” a “suspicious” $1000 donation.
The money could not be handed over and thus, at this point in time, it appears that the recount will NOT take place.

I'll post a link when I have one, so you might take this a s heresay right now.

[Melissa G]

6. I heard the same hearsay from a granny warrior n/t

[Recursion]

9. The stories of Paul votes flipping are disturbing

I don't like seeing elections tampered with on either side of the aisle.

[cascadiance]

7. Call Keith O. I think we have criminals at work here that need some punishing!

[GardeningGal]

8. Anybody else getting a sense of deja vu?

This is what happened with Andy's surgery money, and freepers were responsible for that one. Do the freepers hate Ron Paul so they're using that tactic again?

[EFerrari]

16. People didn't believe it or at least questioned it.

I'm sorry this has happened to someone else.

I never have used PayPal again for anything.

[flyarm]

10. why does anyone use PayPal..they have done this on other occassions as well!

they should not be used for time sensitive money that is needed..for anything

they are a joke!

fly

[mistertrickster]

12. Yup, you beat me to it. I always just send a check. nt

[mistertrickster]

11. Don't use PayPal. nt

[kenfrequed]

13. That is the repug side

Frankly I don't care, it is the democratic side I care about. As far as I am concerned all those damned republicans deserve to lose votes after 2000 and 2004. Maybe it will kill their buzz for diebold and secret squirrel computer counting systems.

As for the Democrat side, We are already recounting OUR primary in NH.

[tblue37]

18. But if there were shenanigans on the Repub side (and this effort to prevent a Repub recount suggests

that someone in a position of power believes there were and wants the vote count to stand as it is), then we want to know, because it would count as further evidence that we can't let hackable electronic equipment count our votes.

[kansasblue]

20. that does seem strange that some corporation

would fight so hard to stop the recount on the Repub side.

Maybe they didn't massage the ballots on that side. (tinfoil)

[kenfrequed]

22. Well...

It is harder to fight state law and a certified cashier check. All above the board and neat-as-you-please. Than some wild and crazy pay-pal thing.

[kenfrequed]

23. You are right of course.

I apologize, my desire for karmic selective justice overwhelmed my knowledge that we need nothing less than the real thing.

[nashville_brook]

14. so, Democracy lives or dies by PayPal. this is disgusting.

[snagglepuss]

15. Paypal subject of ClassAction Lawsuit. Big time Rip Off company

Dont have time to find the link but there is a ex pay pal Executive who has come clean about PayPal.


Below is another site about paypal


http://www.aboutpaypal.org/contact_us/?msgbrd=1&topic=1370

[tblue37]

19. What did the guy who "came clean" about paypal have

to say?

[kansasblue]

17. hmmmm so they are screwing with the Ron Paul crowd...

didn't I just see a vid of them chasing Hanity down the street. The Ron Paul's are fighters.

This could get interesting !

[troubleinwinter]

21. NO. The recount is not off.

Please hold yer horses. You have just a teensy bit of a tiny slice of a part of a bit of the story in this e-mail from a particular 'Ron Paul person'.