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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:45 AM
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Ohio’s Primary and Election Reform – The Good, the Bad and the Ugly



Ohio’s Primary and Election Reform – The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
By Bob Fitrakis and Ron Baiman

The good news is that visible strides were made in re-enfranchising Ohio’s Franklin County (Columbus) inner city urban voters in the March 4, 2008 primary. Voting machines and paper ballots were plentiful and equally distributed.

But, the bad news is that the discrepancy between the preliminary exit poll data and the unofficial vote tallies was reminiscent of the improbable results of the 2004 presidential election in Ohio between John Kerry and George W. Bush.

While the Clinton-Obama results are more probable than the Kerry-Bush results of 2004, they are still highly suspect and suggest statistically significant flaws in the exit polling or in the recording of Ohio votes.

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The preliminary exit poll information showed Clinton beating Obama by 3.26% -- Clinton with 51.13% and Obama with 47.87%.
The unofficial results posted on the website of the Ohio Secretary of State are: Clinton 54.29%, Obama 44.00% and Edwards 1.72%, which gives a Clinton to Obama gap of 10.29%. This gives us a difference of 7.03% from the exit poll results.

The odds of Obama’s Ohio results happening given the 4% margin of error mentioned by the Washington Post are one in every 35 elections. Clinton’s Ohio vote total is likely to occur once in every 16 elections.
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http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2008/1640
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:57 AM
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1. How about this conspiracy theory?
Diebold et al. are trying to fracture the Democratic party by making it take as long as possible for us to get a nominee. They know each campaign is gonna go more and more negative and give more and more ammunition to McCain. They're dream is for us to go into the convention without a settled nominee. Just hypotheses on my part. I could be completely wrong.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:34 AM
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2. Diebold, et al, have the power to do this or ANYTHING THEY WANT!
The touchscreens, optiscans and central tabulators are all run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls. The entire system is extremely vulnerable to hacking, especially to insider hacking, according to the dictates of the rightwing execs and billionaires who own or rule their corporations.

DIEBOLD: During 2004-2005, headed by Wally O'Dell, a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser (a Bush "Pioneer," right up there with Ken Lay), who promised in writing to "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush-Cheney in 2004";

ES&S: A spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture), whose initial funder and major investor is rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things); and

SEQUOIA: The third major election theft industry player, which hired Republican Bill Jones, former Calif Secretary of State, and his chief aide, Alfie Charles, to peddle their machines--in a prime example of the utter corruption of privatized, corporatized vote counting-- "revolving door" employment--which also includes lavish lobbying, a culture of corporate secrecy, corporate lawyers writing our election laws, and the heady power of billions of dollars in electronics contracts.


I think it is no accident that Obama tends to win caucuses, and Clinton tends to win primaries. Primaries are tallied by the election theft industry; caucuses are not. Obama won 10 of 11 early caucuses, but only 9 of 21 early primaries. I don't know what the count is now, but that is a VERY SUSPICIOUS circumstance, as is this exit poll discrepancy in Ohio. For more the Ohio exit polls, see www.TruthIsAll.net.

And for those who think the vote can't be stolen if there is a paper ballot, this is only true if the paper ballot is COUNTED (and those results compared to the machine totals). Absentee ballots are scanned right into the rigged electronics. They are NOT counted by human eyes and hands. Optiscan systems, the same. The paper ballot is dropped into a box, and 99% to 100% of them are never seen again. Many states with optiscan systems do a ZERO handcount, as a check on machine tallies. ZERO! The paper ballot is worthless. (New Hampshire, for example.) In the best of states--with optiscan systems--they do an entirely inadequate 1% audit, which is insufficient to detect fraud. (California, for instance.) And in about a third of the country, with touchscreen systems, there is no ballot TO count. Audits and recounts are not even possible. NOTHING stands between these rightwing corporations and their desired outcomes, and the voters and their choices. (South Carolina, for instance.)

Interestingly, Obama won South Carolina. That result is NOT verifiable. But it could be a red herring, if an overall picture of fraud, favoring Clinton, emerges (as it is beginning to). We're talking TOTAL POWER over our election results. These rightwing billionaire fuckheads can design the election in any way they wish--just as they designed the Congress to keep funding Bush's war, and designed the 2004 election to "come down to Ohio," where they had an extremely corrupt Bushite election theft machine in place, either to be the deciding blow, or to be a distraction (by openly, blatantly violating black voting rights) from the bigger fraud that had taken place all over the country (but mostly in a wave from east coast states to the west, with the most vote stealing occurring in the east, to manufacture Bush/Cheney's national popular vote, and to tweak close states in their favor for the Electoral College tally).

I'm NOT saying that Clinton, or her campaign, is engaging in election fraud. If fraud has occurred, my suspicions would go to the execs and owners of Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, in cahoots with the war profiteers and fascist global corporate predators who are running things. THEY have some fascist scenario that they are playing out--either involving putting Clinton in the White House, to dump all the coming Bush disasters (economic meltdown, etc.) on the Democrats (and she is, after all, a corporatist and a war supporter--so she wouldn't likely side with the "little guy" in a meltdown), or they're enjoying this dogfight between a woman and a black, along with their Cuban cigars. They're going to Diebold McCain into office, and no woman and no minority will have any chance at the White House for decades to come, if ever again. Or, Obama, with his rather soft palaver of "change" and "hope" is actually their stealth candidate, and will change character once in office, keep killing Iraqis, invade Venezuela and Ecuador to regain corporate predator control of the Andes oil fields, and pad insurance corporation profits with the sufferings of poor and the sick, and use all these new fascist powers that Bush/Cheney have pioneered to put down the food riots. You laugh? I've seem something similar in my lifetime--LBJ (the "peace candidate" in 1964).

This whole contest between Obama and Clinton could be a BushWorld fantasy--not far removed from the s-f flick "The Matrix" (people living in a delusionary world--when all of humanity are actually existing in these sort of bathtubs of chemicals with their life energy being drained off for the benefit of a few bad guys, as the victims dream that they are living in the real world). Or it could be half-delusion. The corporate rulers suck up our lifeblood, but ease the reins just a bit, now and again, to prevent revolt.

There are a lot of things seriously wrong with our election systems, among them, the filthy influence of money, and the fascist twaddle of the corporate news monopolies. TRADE SECRET vote counting is the icing on the fascist cake. It means that, whenever the People gather momentum for change, for reform, for restoring real democracy, they can be stopped. And it is simply terrifying how EASY it is for them to do. One hacker, a couple of lines of code--and millions of votes can be changed, without detection.

You wonder why our country seems to have gone stark-raving mad at times? This is why. The People haven't gone mad. They are their same old, largely progressive, largely peace-minded, largely fair-minded, creative, industrious, hard-working selves. But we have been inflicted with leaders--in both parties--who DON'T REPRESENT US, who represent the insanely greedy and murderous rich. (1.2 million innocent Iraqis slaughtered for their oil!) Solution (or first step): We have simply got to go back to hand-counted paper ballots. Until we do, this insanity will go on until our country lay in ruins--not to mention the planet we live on. And it is very close to being too late. Two election cycles from now, when we get Hitler II inflicted upon us, we will look back and wish that we had started counting our ballots in public again in 2008.
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:40 PM
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4. Thanks
That's really interesting (and frustrating and saddening) info. Your comment on the difference in Obama's winning percentage in primaries and caucuses being implausible makes a lot of sense. Do you think this scenario could unfold: whoever the Democratic party's nominee is would call public attention to exit poll discrepancies post-election if it looks like the Republicans stole the election again. Then maybe they could convince a significant portion of the electorate to pressure Congress into changing how votes are counted? Even if only 30 or 40% of the public buys the Democrat's claim that elections are being rigged, you can't run a country in which 30% of the public is convinced elections are being stolen. People fight and die for the right to vote and that 30% would become dangerous.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:59 AM
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6. Quite so....
Cheers Peace Patriot. Well said.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:40 PM
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3. K&R. (nt)
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:46 AM
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5. KnR
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