Democrats for America's Future -- anyone heard of them?

[crispini]

They're calling me for a solicitation and they're specifically pitching training they want to be doing against election fraud. I'm all in favor of that, but a quick look on their website doesn't yield any mention of this program specifically. I'm inclined to support, but I'm not sure I just want to give them a generic donation. Thoughts?

[napoleon_in_rags]

1. Be careful

The Republicans are kings of fake groups. Not saying that's the case, but be careful.

[madfloridian]

2. Here is who they are.

http://www.americasdemocrats.org/aboutuslvl1.cfm

[elleng]

6. Why do you say

that is who they are?

[madfloridian]

12. Not sure what you mean. I listed the founders for you.

I did not express an opinion, because I don't know the group

I always go to the about section of websites to find out their founders.

[madfloridian]

13. Ok, this paragraph bothers me.

Not because I would say we always had to vote for a Democrat, but because it is odd to have a group that says they are Democrats for Americas Future and they say we don't have to vote for all with a D.

"Democrats for America's Future is all about getting everyday Democrats involved in returning our party to its roots . and to success at the ballot box. We aren't an arm of the national party organization. That means we don't have to back every politician who claims to be a Democrat, just because there is a "D" next to his or her name.'

Okay, fine...but why are James Carville, Reich, and two former DNC chairman there if they don't support Democrats.

Hey, I am okay with the concept because FL Democrats are often Republicans.

[mac2]

3. The will is not there to do it.

So they must be part of the problem.

They lose elections because of the fraud but don't seem to care. Guess the computer voting machine companies determine on their own who wins.

[troubleinwinter]

4. James Carville. Nuff said.

[mod mom]

10. For those who don't know about Carville:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


If Kerry/Edwards would have gained the presidency (they won Ohio), it would have been 16 years before Carville ally Cllinton would have won. Thus relaying insider info to *. Read the rest of the link to see what happened next.

[troubleinwinter]

11. Watching TV, looking at ballot totals ring up,

suddenly there is Carville on camera saying, "Ya, well, it's all over. We lost." I could not believe it. He capitulated and threw in the towel HOURS and HOURS early. I was absolutely shocked. I saw, with absolute clarity, a fucking traitor. The stream of swear words I uttered melted my TV screen. I don't look at or listen to that traitor anymore.

[troubleinwinter]

5. Donate to the organizations that have actually been in the mud working the issue.

[elleng]

7. 'Election fraud'

is the term Reps use when claiming they want to prevent voting by those not 'entitled' to vote. There are few of such, but they saw to it that how many Floridians were stripped of their right to vote by being incorrectly removed from the files?

Its not at all the same thing as, for example, failures in companys' voting systems like major voting machine security flaws, and the ability to easily hack into such systems made by both Sequoia and Diebold Election Systems.

[tbyg52]

8. Actually, I think "they" usually say "voter fraud,"

meaning individuals impersonating others, voting twice, etc. And specifically AT THE POLLS - no worry about absentee ballots. (In other words, a red herring plus a dandy way to disenfranchise Democrats with Voter ID laws.....)

[elleng]

9. Ah yes.

Thanks.

[demodonkey]

14. PLEASE. Support the ESTABLISHED ELECTION INTEGRITY GROUP of your choice.

With hundreds of millions going to the various political campaigns, virtually nothing is going to many of our hardest-working election integrity organizations (especially at the STATE and LOCAL level) who have been fighting for this issue daily for years now.

These are the people who have been doing the day-to-day education, getting the word out so that more and more people learn that there is even a problem. These are the people who have been fighting for better choices on the county and state level when it comes to our voting systems. These are the people who have been collecting data, and doing on-the-ground research.And these are the groups and people who will be expected to jump in if another election "goes goofy" and the politicians fold their tents for fear of being labeled a sore loser. Only by then it will be too late, again.

At a time when we should be strong and prepared, many of our best state and local election integrity organizations are struggling to hang on, while (again) hundreds of millions are being donated to others.

And just few thousand could mean the difference between life and death for some of these best groups. For example one of my local groups in PA needs just $2000 to continue their ongoing project of citizen exit polls for the general election this year. But $2000 is very hard to raise in rural Pennsylvania.

So again -- when donating to the candidates (or big national advocacy campaigns) please, PLEASE throw a few bucks also to the Election Integrity group of your choice.

Do this now. Not next December.

Marybeth
http://www.VotePA.us