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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:54 PM
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The senator most likely...
Who is most likely to back up the House protest of the inauguration this time? Who could we most likely apply pressure (and a liberal dose of begging) to?

Any ideas?
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batchdem04 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:55 PM
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1. maybe an old Dem on his way out?
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:55 PM
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2. Like Bob Graham?
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 04:59 PM by RagingInMiami
I've already written Graham asking him to get involved. Graham, who is extremely popular in Florida, is not well known outside the state. He could change his legacy by getting involved.
Write to him through his website.

http://graham.senate.gov/
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:57 PM
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5. Graham is the one!
He knows everything - and he hates the Bushes!!!
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:13 PM
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59. I wrote him too
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:17 AM
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101. I wrote to him also. He was on Kerry's shortlist for Veep 04
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:55 PM
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4. How about Kennedy?
What does he have to lose anyway?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:29 PM
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29. The votes are counted in the new congress
New senators and congressmen are sworn in before the votes are counted.
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ok_cpu Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:55 PM
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51. How about Zell Miller
Kidding, of course...

:evilgrin:
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:42 PM
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65. ROFLMAO!!!!
He'll probably challenge the challenger to a drool!
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:55 PM
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3. remember that it has to be a senator from last term...
Kerry?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:59 PM
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7. EDWARDS!
Or if not him, how about Tom Daschle? (His final act of "obstructionism"!)
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:06 PM
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11. WONDERFUL IDEA!
Edwards it is!:toast:
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:13 AM
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86. I second the notion!!! EDWARDS DOING IT WOULD GET LOTS
OF PUBLICITY??? Are we "SEEKING" publicity with this idea? MAYBE THE MILLIONS OF DEMOCRATS WOULD RALLY BEHIND JOHN EDWARDS!
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:00 PM
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8. Kennedy.
Senator Kennedy. I love that guy! And he could give a rat's ass what the KKKons think of him. He's a good pick.

Graham, too.

I don't think that Kerry has it in him to look like a sore, whiny loser. This is the same Kerry who made the remark about crying into teacups in 2000, remember?
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:34 PM
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41. I think so too!
n/t:bounce:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:27 PM
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27. I think it actually has to be a new one
It will be after the 109th Congress convenes. Isn't this the 108th Congress?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:30 PM
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31. You are correct, they must be serving in the 109th congress
The vote counting takes place after the swearing in of new members.
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:30 PM
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32. Hey Patsy!
Glad you decided to visit us over here at DU! :hi:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:34 PM
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39. TY
It's nice to be here.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:59 PM
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6. Kerry's a good one. Or maybe my own Russ Feingold?
NGU.


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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:11 PM
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15. Russ is PERFECT
He has a reputation of being moderate, & he doesn't have all the baggage Kennedy has (though I personally have always and will always be a Kennedy-phile)
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:19 PM
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24. I just emailed Russ Feingold for what it is worth
This is my 3rd email to him since the election:dem:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:37 PM
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45. My letter to Senator Feingold
Dear Senator Feingold,

I urge you and your colleagues to focus on a simple, fundamental flaw in our franchise of Democracy.

Specifically, ask yourself, your colleagues, in fact, ask everyone these 3 questions:

Did you vote?

Do you remember for whom you voted?

Do you know IF and HOW your vote was counted?

Fact is, no one can answer #3 with any reasonable confidence.
We have conducted a fundamentally flawed election.

The responsibility is each of ours to exert our right as an owner of the franchise. We demand an audit.

Refuse to certify the results until the audit is complete.

And, re-vote if the audit demonstrates that accounting the vote cannot be certified.

Please consider adopting the following message and broadcast it to every member of the franchise:

"Prove My Vote Counts, Now"

Until that happens, we have not elected anyone.

Thank you.

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:03 PM
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9. Dennis Kucinich.
He can read the handwriting on the wall. He is also Ohio's Senator, which makes it particularly his right to do so.

CONTACT INFO:
Washington DC Web Address:
http://www.house.gov/kucinich/
Washington DC Web Mail Address:
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
Campaign Web Address:
http://www.kucinich.us/
Campaign Web BLOG:
http://www.denniskucinich.us/
Campaign Web Mail Address:
http://www.kucinich.us/contact ...

Washington DC Address
1730 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515-3510
Phone: 202-225-5871
Fax: 202-225-5745

District Address - Lakewood
14400 Detroit Avenue
Lakewood, OH 44107
Phone: 216-228-8850
Fax: 216-228-6465

District Address - Parma
5983 West 54th Street
Parma, OH 44129
Phone: 440-845-2707
Fax: 440-845-2743

If any of these links don't work, go to his vote-smart page and click on the link there:
http://vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=BC032003
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:05 PM
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Kucinich is a Congressman
Wish he was a Senator though. :hi:
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:07 PM
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12. I wish he was, too.
I think he's a great guy!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:17 PM
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19. My bad.
He sure has what it takes to be a Senator, though, dontcha think?

:hi:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:05 PM
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10. Maybe someday ...
but for now he's still in the House. I love the sound of "Senator Dennis Kucinich" though -- it's gotta happen!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:08 PM
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13. How about Hillary?
:shrug:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:31 PM
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33. Hillary's already planning her 2008 run, good luck with her (n/t)
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:09 PM
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14. which moderator republican senators can look at?
Think about how they recently used Spector as a staging ground for the right. How can we appeal to them on coming out against this ?
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:17 PM
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20. Kucinich is a good one
Let's make a list of reasons to protest the vote here as well. One reason would be that we have had proof that these "voting machines" have had trouble in the past, and yet we still used them for a national election without doing a check on their security systems and vulnerability to hacking. That alone should be enough.
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JaneDoughnut Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:12 PM
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16. John Breaux?
A moderate with a lot of respect on both sides, and his term in the Senate is almost up.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:32 PM
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35. John Breaux's term was up this year and he didn't run for re-election
His seat was won by Repuke David Vitter.
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JaneDoughnut Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:56 PM
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52. Sorry
I assumed we'd need to address it before 108 goes home.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:13 PM
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Senator Joe Biden of Delaware
He's got chutpah.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:19 PM
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22. I'll second that.
Contact info again (pardon my earlier faux pas)

Washington DC EMail Address:
senator@biden.senate.gov
Washington DC Web Address:
http://biden.senate.gov/

Washington DC Address
201 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: 202-224-5042
TTYD Number: 202-224-5652
Fax: 202-224-0139

District Address - Milford
24 Northwest Front Street
Windsor Building, Suite 101
Milford, DE 19963
Phone: 302-424-8090
Fax: 302-424-8098

District Address - Wilmington
1105 North Market Street
Suite 2000
Wilmington, DE 19801-1233
Phone: 302-573-6345
Fax: 302-573-6351

vote-smart web page: http://vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=S0150103
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:20 PM
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25. We need to come up with a group of most likely
and start hammering them with email pleas in an organized fashion.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:04 PM
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73. Biden, very "random" as the ":youth voters" say...potential here
Watching a Biden interview is always either really fun or boring/disappointing. If he's cranked up, you never know what he'll do. I saw him interviewed a couple of months ago and he spend 30 minutes going off on * and Rumsfeld. It was amazing.

Let's hope he's in a really foul, impatient mood!

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.


http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:13 PM
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17. I think joining the protest is politically smart
Kinda throws red meat to the Democratic base. A definite plus for anyone who has presidential aspirations for the future. The people will remember who stood up for them next time around.

I am a long time member of the Democratic base. I was horrified over what happened in 2000 and I really felt that maybe a constitutional crisis was indeed appropriate. It's obvious 4 years later that I was right.

We simply cannot let this happen again. Hopefully, Senator Edwards will stand up.
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:13 PM
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18. dem's with noth'n to lose:
byrd, kennedy, inouye, akaka, hollings, daschle, mikulsky, etc,
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:18 PM
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21. daschle...interesting. n/t
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:49 PM
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81. DASHCLE WON'T BE THERE - Has be to from NEW COngress
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:32 PM
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37. Hollings and Daschle are on their way out, they won't be there...
When the votes are counted.
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TumorSupressor Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:19 PM
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23. I think Graham from FL is our best bet.
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batchdem04 Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:20 PM
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26. what about Byrd?
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 05:20 PM by batchdem04

or is he too old and grumpy?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:32 PM
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36. For an action like what is being proposed.....
....old and grumpy are likely to be prerequisites! ;-)
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tll Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:18 PM
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70. I love Byrd Watching on CSPAN
Both he and Kennedy are freakin' great.

Though I'm not one Byrd's constituents, I am a native of WV and dropped him an email (obviously a bit punchy, I included an aside about how much I was enjoying his book until my mother accidentally set a few pages on fire -- guess I should hold off the letter-writing 'til I've had some sleep!)
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:47 PM
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80. BYRD MIGHT BE THE GUY if he's retiring soon
Whoever does this will have no political career if it falls on its face. Look how long Watergate took!
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no1hedberg Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:16 AM
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87. Byrd is the one
He's nearing the end. He HATES the Bushes. He would see this as a final act of patriotism.
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 11:16 AM
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107. Choose Byrd!!!!!!
......He is the perfect voice!!!!.....Do It Now!!!!
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:28 PM
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28. Kennedy's contact info
You can find his contact info here

http://kennedy.senate.gov/index_low.html
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:30 PM
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30. list of senators and their e-mail addresses
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:40 PM
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46. thanks, Save n/t
n/t
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:31 PM
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34. i wrote mine
is it the new congress? i wrote to durbin, and to fitzgerald. he is leaving, but he is kinda honest for a thug.
i think durbin has the cajones. (sp?) obama does not believe.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:36 PM
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43. Obama's brand new, he doesn't need to take part in this
Although I think that he would get a lot of respect from folks here if he did.
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pipes Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:33 PM
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38. Email to senators...talking points
Anyone, anyone, Buhler Buhler!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:34 PM
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40. *NOTE, they MUST be serving in the NEW congress
The vote counting takes place under the 109th congress, meaning that any senator who will not be serving in the 109th congress cannot contest the votes. This includes Daschle, Hollings, Edwards, Breaux, Miller (not that he would anyway), and Graham.
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:40 PM
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47. ok. did not know that. tks n/t
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:35 PM
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42. How about Jon Corzine, New Jersey
He's loaded, he's liberal, he's planning to run for NJ governor. This could be the kind of issue that would appeal to him.
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ruthg Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:30 AM
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89. Corzine
I was thinking the same thing and it prompted me to get out of bed and come down here and look for his name....

Sleepless in NJ
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:37 PM
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44. Here's what I sent

Dear Senator Graham,

Please join your colleagues in the house of representatives to make an official challenge to the results of the 2004 National Elections. Despite the misinformation promulgated by the mass media, more and more Americans have become aware of the intimidation, deception, and illegal activities employed, largely by Republican operatives, in the election. Thousands and thousands of complaints have been registered (http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?offset=0&catid=&showall=&sort=), by far the greatest numbers in the two hotly contested states of Ohio and Florida, and there seems little ground to doubt that thousands, if not millions, of American voters were disenfranchised of their right to participate in free, open, and honest elections.

As you are aware, a huge discrepancy exists between the results of election polls conducted during Nov. 2 election and the official results of the election tabulation. The validity of exit polls has been questioned by some who want to preserve confidence in the integrity of our elections system without taking a hard look at the actual evidence of these discrepancies or consider the historical accuracy of exit polls. To my knowledge, these critics of exit poll data have failed to answer one critical question: why is it that exit polls seem to have been dead on in states using paper ballots, while they are wildly at variance in states using electronic voting systems? (http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4175) Impressive studies by statisticians, including this one (http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/The_unexplained_exit_poll_discrepancy_v00k.pdf) by University of Pennsylvania statistician Steven Freeman, and this one from the University of California(http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/new_web/VOTE2004/election04_WPwappendices.pdf)confirm the impression that something is terribly wrong with the results of the 2004 Presidential election.

Ironically, Senator Lugar today publicly challenged the results of the recent election in the Ukraine. His reasoning? The exit polls do not agree with the results. If such a discrepancy is evidence for fraud in the Ukraine, why are we ignoring it in the United States? Are we so naive as to believe that election fraud is impossible in our own country? Then we've been asleep for four years (please see http://www.blackboxvoting.org for proof of this assertion).

Please instruct your staff to look into this issue and join Congressmen John Conyers, Jr., Jerrold Nadler, Robert Wexler, Robert Scott, and Rush Holt in calling for a thorough investigation into these voting irregularities. Our Democracy needs you.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

BlueDOg2U

(joke, actually I signed it with my other name)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:41 PM
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48. None!! Just like in 2000
when our candidate actually won the popular vote and was proven to have won Florida.
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liberal al zib Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:45 PM
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49. Yeeeeehhh
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:52 PM
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50. My suggestion?
FUCKING ALL OF THEM.

Hey, why not ya know? Law of averages. The more ya send it to, the greater probability someone may respond positively.

Why not post a running list of all the email addresses we can find in a row for senators so that it is just easy to cut and paste the whole damn list into the SEND TO fields on our email. If you are gonna send it to one, fuck it, send it to all of them.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:58 PM
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53. Well someone started a thread about Russ Feingold
Let's just go with him for a while, unless people have serious objections.
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:58 PM
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54. DASCHLE!!! Lame-duck with influence and nothing to lose.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:01 PM
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55. It can't be Graham. He didn't run for reelection. I say Sen. Byrd.
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:16 PM
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60. Why not? He is still in office until....
..he hands it over on the appointed date. A lame-duck is the best choice. They have nothing to lose and can use the limited time they have left to make history.

Lame-ducks (Daschle or Gramham) are the only way to go. Politicos..no matter which party...will not stick their necks out and risk defeat in their next race because they are labled as "whiners" or "conspiracy wackos." Lame-ducks shouldn't care. If they are honest, they will use their limited time left to make a lasting mark....and exposing massive voter fraud would be a really nice legacy.



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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:02 PM
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56. DASCHLE```````DASCHLE-------DASCHLE_____ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NT
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:04 PM
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57. YES, YES, YES! He is the obvious choice..he has nothing to lose
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:25 PM
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62. Can't be Daschle - he'll be out of office
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:39 PM
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64. Am I missing something? Daschle and Gramham are senators until....
some time in January. Why can't they use their office and votes until then?

Just curious?
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:28 PM
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71. You are soooooo right!! Daschle is the one!!!
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:08 PM
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58. Russ Feingold
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:24 PM
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61. And Kennedy has nothing to lose - and he's pissed off!!
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:26 PM
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63. Why do you guys feel Kennedy has nothing to lose?n/t
nt
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:16 PM
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68. My God, just look at the guy!
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:49 PM
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66. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin
I lived in Wisconsin for 12 years and Russ is great. He's the only senator who refused to sign the Patriot Act into law. I'll be contacting him.
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delphine Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:08 PM
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67. I predict
no one if Reid is still whoring with bush. Or if Kerry asks them not to (for the good of the country) >: <[br />
If this is before the new Senate, an outgoing senator would be good.

Like Daschle. Is this possible?

Otherwise I really can't imagine anyone will back up the House as long as Kerry doesn't want them to.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:17 PM
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69. If Kerry stops it, then his ass is grass
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:23 PM
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72. BYRD
The defender of the Constitution.
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 11:21 AM
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108. PERFECT CHOICE!!!!!!
........BYRD would relish the opportunity to elevate the discussion above the REP. clique laden rhetoric......He is the "voice" DU should be concentrating on wrt flooding messages to.....
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:16 PM
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74. Get real, people
It's extremely unlikely that *any* senator will attempt to challenge the results of this election. Far-lefties in the House who are in safe seats will make a bunch of noise (as usual), but the Senate won't touch it with a ten-foot pole.

The sad fact that we all have to accept is that this election is over and our guy didn't make it.
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:29 AM
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88. Sorry, the stakes are too high
We have to try.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:17 PM
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75. Senator Frank Lautenberg of NJ, he was retired and only came back to
fill the vacancy left by Robert Torricelli when he left early (in disgrace I might add). Lautenberg does not want to run for re-election , is in his eighties and has been openly critical of the B**h administration since being back in the Senate.
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:51 PM
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82. LAUTENBURG SOUNDS GREAT! Has to be someone who's retiring
And he's a DEM, right?
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:24 PM
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83. Yes a dem !!!!! I will write to him.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:03 AM
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84. I read snippets of Tom Daschle's book, He says that Lautenberg...
Didn't really like retirement and jumped at the opportunity to return to the senate.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:39 PM
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76. OK -- One More Time -- NEW CONGRESS ONLY!
Cannot be Daschle, Graham or any other Senator that lost, like Edwards.
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:09 PM
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77. I think it should be a newly elected senator..Obama
He'd be perfect, I think...a major idea of his candidicy was "responsible government"...plus, he won't run have to again until 2010...
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:04 AM
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85. Obama doesn't need that as his first action in the senate...
I wouldn't expect him to do it. Although it would certainly show some SERIOUS balls if he did.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:14 PM
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78. I think you can count Graham out, he was no where to be found
on his predecessor Betty Castor (D), who lost against Mel Martinez (R)and he barely campaigned for Kerry. Kennedy may be a great choice he's pretty upset. Edwards is a definite. But what's wrong with Kerry himself, would he legally be allowed to sign?
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:43 PM
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79. I'm building a Senate email blaster - I need some help please
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x74781

I'm doing this to help out on this issue:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x73567

I have all 100 email addresses now; and I will now build something similar to this:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity.htm


What I need is:
1 - Sample emails for people to send to the Senators.

2 - Various email subject lines for them to choose.

I will list various choices of both (see this link for an example of what I will build:

http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity.htm

<Note the "Reserved for alternative messages" link on this page:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity2_01.htm

I'm going to go build the pages now. I will check back later for any copy posted here.

<btw: This is not meant to replace people sending individual emails, only to supplement it. As one poster put it,"Correspondence from constituents usually gets a Congressperson's attention first, but a flooded inbox tends to draw attention too."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=203&topic_id=73794&mesg_id=73881

Also, if there is enough interest, and as time permits, I will build something that will make it easier for individuals to send emails to their own Senator.>
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:14 AM
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90. Its almost done. Ck it out here.
http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote.htm

Anybody wanns write the "tell others" letter? It would be appreciated since I'm really tired.

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote_emailothers.htm.htm

It's four in the morning here, I'm going to bed!
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:37 AM
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91. Patsy Stone I think you're wrong.. not the New but the Old! I did some
some research and I am including both the 12th amendment and 20th amendment for clarification

U.S. Constitution: Twelfth Amendment
Twelfth Amendment - Election of President

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.--The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Sofar not clear but then I found this under Amendment twenty :

''If it should happen that in the general election in November in presidential years no candidate for President had received a majority of all the electoral votes, the election of a President would then be thrown into the House of Representatives and the memberships of the House of Representatives called upon to elect a President would be the old Congress and not the new one just elected by the people. It might easily happen that the Members of the House of Representative, upon whom devolved the solemn duty of electing a Chief Magistrate for 4 years, had themselves been repudiated at the election that had just occurred, and the country would be confronted with the fact that a repudiated House, defeated by the people themselves at the general election, would still have the power to elect a President who would be in control of the country for the next 4 years. It is quite apparent that such a power ought not to exist, and that the people having expressed themselves at the ballot box should through the Representatives then selected, be able to select the President for the ensuing term. . .

It leads me to believe that if the election is contested and as a result the outcome is in doubt the same rule would apply. Does that explain why Gore presided over the last mess in 2000? So it may be that Daschle, Graham and anyone that's leaving get to decide
Anyone agree??? Or is not the "repudiated house" that gets to decide?

Any input? Be nice to have a scholar clear this up once and for all!
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:06 AM
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92. I think I finally found the answer ... too bad it's the new congress
Found this on one the 2000 election sites.
"
The electoral vote certificates are opened and counted at a joint session of the Congress, held, as mandated (3 U.S.C. 15), on January 6 following the Electors' meeting (or, by custom, on the next day, if it falls on a Sunday); the vice president presides. Electoral votes are counted by the newly elected Congress, which convenes on January 3. The winning candidates are then declared to have been elected."
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:19 PM
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93. Lets Blast!!!
Where is that Blaster? Lets get Congress "Smoking"
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:27 AM
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103. I blasted yesterday but almost all he emails came back "undeleiverable"
and some came back directing to the senator's web page and filling out the form. So I did!
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:44 AM
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94. Paging Senator Durbin of Illinois...........
If he wants to move up from party whip to majority leader some day, this is how to do it.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:28 AM
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104. I wrote him yesterday
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 04:02 AM
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95. kick
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blueatheart Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 06:55 AM
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96. lehey?
what about Senator Lehey ?
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 07:30 AM
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97. spelled Leahy?
But he won't help either.
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blueatheart Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 07:32 AM
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98. my bad sorry
Leahy
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:46 AM
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99. Frank Lautenberg, and ....
IMO, the following are candidates to lobby to object to electors appointed pursuant to a clearly discriminatory election -- like Ohio's:

Frank Lautenberg (nothing to lose and has been "out there" on a number of issues)

Jon Corzine (financially above the Wahsington BS and could be "shamed" by film of him "chatting" in the painful clip of the CBC objection in F911)

Barbara Boxer (No specific reason. Seems less staid than others.)

Jim Jeffords (ideal as a "non-partisan" standing up for American values).

Charles Schumer (Likes to be a pain in the ass)

Patty Murray (seems honest and naive)

Not sure about freshmen, but may be good candidates there.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:50 AM
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100. If solid evidence is found in CA
I would say Boxer would be a good bet.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:24 AM
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102. Someone else said that yesterday
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AndrewClarke Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:33 AM
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105. I'm not a troll
I think that unless the prevailing opinion around the country, come January 6, is that the election was illegitimate, no Senator will be willing to contest any of the electoral votes.

If that does become the prevailing opinion, then there won't be any problem finding a Senator to do it.

In other words: There's no reason to worry about trying to find a Senator to help. One way or the other, it will take care of itself. All the emails in the world won't make a difference.

If you want a Senator to contest some electoral votes, continue to work to expose voting irregularities, either unintentional or fraudulent.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:40 AM
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106. Just got this reply from Kerry's office. HIS EMAIL HAS CHANGED
Thank you for contacting my office. In an effort to more effectively manage the increase in the volume of e-mails received by my office and to respond as quickly and thoroughly as possible, I am using a new web based system that you can access through my web site at "kerry.senate.gov". Just click on e-mail under the contact session of the web site and complete the new web form.

The e-mail address john_kerry@kerry.senate.gov will no longer be active. The message you just sent was not received and should be resubmitted via the web form. Thank you for understanding and again please feel free to contact me with any issues of concern. I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
John Kerry
US Senator
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