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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:34 PM Original message |
Poll question: Should churches be allowed to endorse candidates or parties without risking their tax-exempt status? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. Idiot. He did this knowing full well it's illegal. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. Churches should not be tax exempt period. n/t |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Why shouldn't churches be tax exempt? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Why should churches be tax exempt? n/t |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. If they can show that they provide free or low cost benefits |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. If, if, if, |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Like I said, |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. And like I said |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I understand your objections |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. The difference is |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Oh, I agree with strict seperation of church and state |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Many people ask |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. the parts of their funds that actually goes to helping the less fortunate |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. That may be a reasonable compromise, but... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Many clergy of tax exempt status won't allow their |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. Only know the law in my state |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. Why should they be? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
56. Because they are basically clubs, operated for the benefit of their members. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. That's what Jefferson and Madison thought. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. did they have non-profit corporations in their time? |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Here's what he thought of corporations. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. thanks for the quote |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. Corporations were a little different back then. |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Not really... |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. That was a British corporation. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. thanks for the history lesson |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Yes |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I agree |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. I think you are overgeneralizing |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
38. Glad to hear you have that in your community |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. I believe that they should be held to the same tax exempt status |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. let's bring out the religion bashers! |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. IRS should take away their tax exempt status |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. Religion should not involve itself in affairs of the state |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Or, as Sharif Baba said to a Sufi gathering |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:42 PM Original message |
No-and I'm an ordained minister |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. Why shouldn't you be able to endorse as a minister? |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. No, |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Those are fine goals... |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. Nope. I oppose any minister running for public office |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
41. In general, the answer is yes |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Didn't Newt do this in Georgia when he ran for President, etc.? |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
28. You can say what you want about a candidate |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
58. Exactly. I'm ordained, and everyone knows I'm a progressive Dem. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
6. Other: Churches should not have tax-exempt status at all... |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. They're not. nt |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
20. Separation of Church and State — Not Only is it the Law, It is a Really Good Idea |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #20 |
36. History proves this true |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
33. Churches shouldn't be tax exempt to begin with. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. The legal justification is that taxation violates the Free Exercise clause |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. OK as a compromise how about the house of worship (or retirement homes) only |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. That would certainly limit the problem of people like Fallwell |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. IRS does not exempt from taxation business income of churches unrelated to nonprofit purpose |
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John Gauger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. The power to tax is the power to destroy. |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
39. This is the guy who has called in a holy hit against his opponents |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. If this is true he should not be President since he would be |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. I was referring to Drake, not Huckleberry |
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mac2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-17-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Sorry, I thought you meant the Baptist candidate for President |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 03:49 AM Response to Original message |
57. Absolutely not... |
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