Wikileaks... Church of Scientology docs....

[Joanne98]

Some highlights...

It is not until 'OT3' when you learn the true beginning of Scientology. In Hubbard's own hand written notes, he begins to describe a series of "76 planets around larger stars founded 95,000,000 years ago" which he says "are visible from here ."

From those planets, which were over populated by "about 250 million per planet," came a "head of the Galactic Federation" named Xenu who solved the overpopulation by sending mass amounts of his people to Earth somewhere between "75,000,000 and 4 qadrillion years ago." Hubbard says that he brought them to Earth and dropped them off inside volcanoes on an island he describes as Hawaii in the Pacific Ocean. Xenu then captured the ones who escaped after 36 days and exploded the remaining individuals with a hydrogen bomb. Xenu was later "captured after six years of battle" and Earth had since become a "desert."

It is also said at this level, an implant, in what Hubbard calls an "engram" will be given in which the individual can "see pictures." However these pictures are not to be "stuck" or permanent.

At 'OT4' individuals are allegedly rid of illegal and legal drugs. Documents state that addicts are not treated with drugs, but simply not given anything.

"As drugs and drug incidents have been so common on the whole track, to simply generally ask for drugs or drug incidents when dealing with BTs and clusters, could cause a total restim," states the document which then says that individuals are made to wait out the effects of the drugs. Another process used to try and stop drug use is to "take any previously given Drug somatic items, or newly list any additional items connected with reading drugs, medicines, etc., and assess for reading somatic item." Hubbard insists that these methods are proven effective.

'OT5' is when individuals learn about the "physical universe, not the laws of physical scientists, but the basic considerations about Matter, Energy, Space and Time," states Hubbard.

At 'OT6' you allegedly learn telepathy and 'OT7'is the "rehabilitation of ability to project intention."

The final level, 'OT8', you are to "have full certainty and, therefore, perception on all" of your issues. According to Hubbard, the 'OT8' manuals are supposed to stay aboard the Free Winds Scientology ship which has heavy security because nothing is supposed to leave the ship. Despite that, Hubbard himself claims to have smuggled out his own 'OT8' instructions for the "elite" Scientologists.
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology%27s_%27Operating_Thetan%27_documents_leaked_online

[Faygo Kid]

1. Tom Cruise, Kirstie Alley, Greta Von Susteren, John Travolta - yeah, all the geniuses

What a bunch of burnouts. Give me a break.

[stevedeshazer]

2. These people are nuts.

And I thought Trekkies were weird.

:wow:

[wuushew]

3. Does anyone personally know a scientologist?

I am curious what type of people gravitate towards the movement.

[slackmaster]

7. I knew ONE Scientologist

He was a practicing chirpractor here in San Diego, and a very good one. Dr. Cary Wilkins, DC.

One day about 15 years ago he suddenly left and moved to Clearwater, Florida to be a Scientology minister.

He hadn't even cancelled his patients' appointments. His partners in the practice were only a little surprised.

I Googled him just now. Looks like he's back in town.

[Beaverhausen]

19. I know many of them. They are perfectly normal people

A couple of my best friends are Scientologists. I know a lot more, too, casually. They are hardworking and creative. They never try to convert me.

I know the "church" does some weird things. but the philosophy works for some people, so who are we to judge?

Name one religion without weird beliefs.

[Feron]

21. If you were talking about Free Zoners...

that would be one thing, Scientology on the other hand is a completely different beast.

xenu.net
http://www.lermanet.com/index.htm
http://www.exscientologykids.com/

Scientology isn't a religion, but it is a soul and money sucking cult. It's certainly way more sinister than your regular church.

[Beaverhausen]

22. I don't learn about it from the internet. I have actually been inside the Celebrity Center

My friends have worked for Scientology. Go ahead and make assumptions about things you don't know about. I know what I know.

[Realityhack]

25. 'assumptions about things you don't know about'

The public face of Scientology ESPECIALLY at the celebrity center is very polished.

But why on earth would you assume we don't know about them?
Have you read the court documents on the cases brought against them? Have you read the accounts of what they actually go through and the analysis by psychologists on the brainwashing involved?
Seen the dozens of videos of them actively harassing and physically assaulting critics?
Seen their enemies list?
Red the material from each 'OT'?
Read about the deaths they have caused?

[slackmaster]

4. They're gonna send a Terminator from the future to kill everyone named Joanne

:scared:

[Joanne98]

17. LOL

[Hugabear]

5. How is that more absurd than what many other religions - including Christianity - teach?

I always find it ironic when people mock religions like Scientology and Mormonism, without realizing how absurd most religions are if you really think about it.

[Warpy]

11. Nothing looks dumber than somebody else's religion

and that covers wackjob conspiracy theories, too.

I'm sure $cientology makes perfect sense to people who've gotten sucked into it.

It only looks like a science fiction novel that was so bad that Hubbard couldn't get it published even in pulp mags in the 50s to the rest of us.

[Realityhack]

26. True but...

there is a distinct difference when you start getting into cults that infiltrate the government, keep active enemies lists. physically assault people of a different mind. etc. compared to say some new age BS about the earth mother or something.

[kestrel91316]

20. I guess there's a difference to a lot of us between religions that you

just keep inside your head while behaving like a normal person, and religions that make you BEHAVE rather weirdly.

Any religious/spiritual views I hold (and they are a changeable, motley assortment) merely serve to guide my ethical system. They don't require that I wear weird, magical undergarments or send vast sums of money to someone who wants another Cadillac.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

6. OT8 has been available on the Web for years

Some of the Hubbard stuff is truly mind-numbing, like his story of his "last visit to Heaven," where the grounds were completely run down and overrun with weeds and the gates were in a state of disrepair and he was "almost run down by a commuter train."

And that's just for starters.

:eyes:

[JeanGrey]

8. Maybe they can hobknob with the Mormons on their planets

when they become gods and they'll be "masters of the universe". LOL

[Subdivisions]

9. Are you fucking kidding me? People actually BELIEVE this

stupid pulp sci-fi unmitigated bullshit?

[Hugabear]

12. People have been believing the BIBLE for a lot longer

If the Bible had only been written 40 years ago, how many people would be dismissing it as "stupid pulp sci-fi unmitigated bullshit"?

[Subdivisions]

15. But the Bible is at least the product of humanity's search

for some sort of meaning and definition of life. At least it's a moral guide. Sure, alot of it is fantastical, but then, at the time it was written, everything was fanstastical to a confused human psyche. The Bible was grounded in the reality of the time, not some stupid dime store impulse-rack pulp fiction rag.

[lonestarnot]

10. OMG. I can't believe I read this. Snort...

:rofl: Nutfuckingballs! I've never heard such nutfuckery.

[backscatter712]

13. If you want to believe you have bits of nuked aliens in you,

that's your choice. As mentioned, it's no more off the deep end than any other religion.

Where Scientology really goes schizo is the way it treats its members, and the way it treats its enemies.

Start with this article: Wikipedia: Fair Game (Scientology) and google phrases like Scientology, Fair Game, Lisa McPherson.

Scientology is a vicious, murderous overgrown cult, with enough money and enough members willing to go to paranoid extremes that they're very, very dangerous.

There's a very good reason why Anonymous protesters wear masks when they protest them - if they're identified, they're subject to harassment, bullying, lawsuits, crime frame-ups, etc.

[sandyd921]

14. Well L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer!

(emphasis on fiction). Quite an imagination. Nuts doesn't cover it!

[havocmom]

16. Not a geologist, but pretty sure that '75,000,000 and 4 qadrillion years ago', no Hawaiian Islands

What a bunch of crap. Was Hubbard a drug addict of some sort? I remember a lot of TV commercials for his bogus books back in the 70s. So glad he smuggled the guides out of the mother ship :eyes:

Damn, I gotta start me a religion. I could do a better job of making it believable.

[wuushew]

18. its worse than that

75,000,000 and 4 quadrillion years ago = no universe.

[Random_Australian]

24. Not quite. 75 million years ago lots was here. Maybe even the hawaiin islands.

(that is stretching it). But 4 quadrillion is indeed about a hundred thousand times longer than the age of the universe.

[Random_Australian]

23. 4 quadrillion? 4 QUADRILLION?

(Yeah, I spell it with a 'u', who cares)

First he says that the thingo was founded a mere 9.5e7 years ago, then he says that that they came to earth sometime in the last 4e15 years ago.

or for those who don't share that notation:
galactic federation founded:    95 000 000 years ago.
they came to earth in the last 4 000 000 000 000 000 years.

Nice. Not technically contradictory, but still interesting.