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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 03:50 PM
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A Field Trip To The Creation Museum
A field trip to the Creation Museum

Contextural Criticism
By Jacob
Thursday, December 11, 2008




The http://saiu.org/">Secular Alliance at Indiana University took a field trip to the Creation Museum and made a video of what they experienced.

The video is worth watching for two reasons. It will kill any further curiosity you might have about the Museum, and you will be amazed and appalled that this kind of a monument to ignorance and superstition should even exist in 2008.

It is truly sad that so many people are willing to be deceived into believing Creationist crap!

And anyone bringing their young children to the Creation Museum should be arrested for child abuse!

h/t to PZMyers at http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/">Pharyngula


VIDEO LINK: http://vimeo.com/2479296">SAIU trip to the Creation Museum from Secular Alliance on Vimeo.

http://mythandhope.blogspot.com/2008/12/field-trip-to-creation-museum.html">LINK

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"I don't care what you say Adam, that Yahweh dood is sick!!!!"


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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 03:54 PM
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1. So, the first humans were white hippies?
Isn't there a picture in there someplace about Adam hanging around with a penguin? My wife found that especially hilarious.
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Mugweed Donating Member (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 04:01 PM
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4. Yup
That's either Adam and Eve, or a scene from a Phish concert.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 05:52 PM
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10. ROFL!!!
:rofl:
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Mugweed Donating Member (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 03:58 PM
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2. Religion is stupid
Why anyone would leave the explanation of existence to some cave dwelling goat herders from a few thousand years ago is beyond my comprehension. There's no place for primitive superstition in modern society. Religious institutions should be taxed, since most organized religions are just money-making fronts anyway. They get super rich off of dupes thinking they can purchase their way into "heaven". I'm sure, just like "Holy Land Experience" in Orlando, this place doesn't pay any taxes.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:11 PM
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14. No...
...don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel....


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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 04:00 PM
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3. Damn that place was busy
I know it's in Kentucky but there are a lot of really stupid people around. Thanks for the link, I'd never seen the inside of that place before and after my one and only trip into the Focus on the Family compound a few years ago I don't expect I'll be going in there.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:19 PM
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15. I live about 35 miles from the border....
...and I'd have to say -- they ain't all in Kentucky.




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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 07:05 PM
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21. FYI, Creationists make up about 40% of the US population
That's 120 million creationists--enough to get that place 330,000 visitors every day for a year if they all go once.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 06:05 PM
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40. Seriously? *shudder*
I wonder how serious most of them are about it, though, and how many are closer to believing in evolution than they want to admit.

Btw, my STBX-husband took me to see Ken Ham speak for our first date. It was a test of sorts, to see if I believed in that crap or not. We sat in the back and laughed our asses off, and then I made him take me to a movie to make up for it.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 04:13 PM
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5. isn't that the Playboy Mansion Grotto? n/t
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:04 PM
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12. It's possible....
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:30 PM
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16. holy crap!
my psychic BS-O-Meter succeeds again!

so "Adam" IS a pr0n star!!

now i want to know about the "Jeebus" at TBN's "Holy Land Experience". he looks like he's been to Sturgis at least a few times.

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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 04:43 PM
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6. Thanks for that
I've always wanted to visit that "museum". I now feel like I've been there, at least a bit. I like the part where they can't film the film. And the progressive arrow to nowhere on the wall. That's brilliant.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 04:48 PM
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7. I like the "World without God" section
It probably scares everyone straight.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:08 PM
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13. And did you notice....
...that the "god arrow" was straight and pointing to the right?

- Naturally....
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:31 PM
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17. Yeah, that's about as close....
...as I want to get to that much concentrated ignorance at a given time, myself.

- Seriously....

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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 05:03 PM
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8. On the Eighth Day God created Supercuts
and said unto them, this is Adam, make him pleasing in the eyes of his mate.

And Supercuts created The Hasselhoff and Eve did find it fetching.

And God found it good.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:37 PM
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18. So since we're supposed to be made....
...in god's image, that must mean god created Supercuts shortly after all that other stuff he did.



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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 09:45 PM
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23. LOL!!!
I was thinking "what a cheesy look! Right out of the 70s!"

Then again, that's probably not fair to the 70s, is it?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 07:09 AM
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31. Leisure suits and boogie-oogie-oogie
I dunno if anyone can be hard enough on the 70s.

Speaking of cheesy looks, every time I see Ken Ham:



I have to wonder, is he trying to look like Alley Oop?

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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 09:52 AM
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33. Strangely enough
while leisure suits are unredeemable, I did enjoy dancing in those days. I guess I just have to own up to my disco side...
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 06:08 PM
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41. When he was younger, his hair was longer.
He looked totally insane during his "lecture". Oh, and the entire fossil record is from the Flood and carbon dating's been entirely disproved, according to that idiot.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 05:17 PM
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9. while channel surfing the other night, I ran across the Dugger family . . .
on TLC . . . this is the family with 17 kids and #18 on the way . . . they are strict fundamentalist Christians, and I stayed with the program for awhile when the intro announced that they'd be taking a trip to this very museum . . .

since all of the kids are home-schooled, their access to real science is minimal, and they all believe in creationism wholeheartedly . . . I had to wonder how these kids will fit into the real world as adults when they believe absolutely in everything this museum teaches and reject absolutely anything that contradicts this version of reality . . .

actually, it's kinda sad, since they all seem like nice kids . . . it's just that their parents are nuts, and they're imparting their warped view of the world on their kids in a way that they'll find difficult to pull away from should any of them ever decide to question what they've been taught . . . not much chance of that happening, I suppose, but in a group this large, it could . . .
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:47 PM
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19. I've wondered about the plight of these kids as well...
...but I would imagine that their paths are pretty much set to do more of the same.

- They all want the http://www.quiverfull.com/index.php">Quiver's Full....

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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:01 PM
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11. My friends and I were talking about going down there last summer
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 06:02 PM by uberllama42
We're from central PA, so it would be doable in one day. I'm sure we wouldn't be the first people from the Alabama region of PA to make the trip. Now that the semester's over and gas is low, maybe we'll do it.

On edit: one of the groups listed in the video is the Mechanicsburg Baptist Church, and when I Googled it it was in Mechanicsburg, OH, and not Mechanicsburg, PA. Close call, though.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 06:51 PM
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20. Please, don't encourage them....
...go to Michigan instead, because they could really use the bucks. Especially since Kentucky's car factories are doing so well.



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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 08:36 PM
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22. My college has an alumni trip to that place this year.
They actually sent me a flyer. I called up the alumni office and read them the riot act. That church has never taken a pro-creationist stance, and there is no reason to tie themselves to such schlock. And they want people to take them seriously now as a university. :eyes: No way in hell would I give Ken Ham (whom I've seen speak before and is a total doofus) a single cent of my money.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 01:38 AM
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26. So it was not a college alumni prank flyer?
- Whoa....
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 11:45 AM
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34. Not when it's a Nazarene college.
*sigh* I wouldn't recommend it as a college for anyone. Maybe a visit in irony but definitely not to actually attend there.

Oh well, at least I made some good friends, grew in my faith to convert to a different version of Christianity, and got my STBX and two children out of it.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 04:06 PM
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38. My goodness!!!
I had no idea Knitter. Really. I know about those Nazarene colleges a little. I had a friend who graduated from Trevecca back in 1977. Back then, they still prayed before and after each class. He went there because he was the first in his family to get to go to college and it was a scholarship deal.

- But I don't think he's been back to Trevecca, or in a church since....
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 06:03 PM
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39. Trevecca's more conservative than the Naz. Not by much, though.
We had to pray before every class, too, and had required chapel three days a week with a mid-week evening service that wasn't required (but the entire college shut down for, so . . .). I know many who lost their faith or at the very least changed faiths or versions of Christianity after going there. It's hard to stay an evangelical after seeing what the faith is really like.

When I was there, facecards (regular playing cards), dancing, R-rated movies, smoking, drinking, and a whole host of other things weren't allowed. We all got quite good at ignoring or at least being quite lawyer-like about the Handbook, the behavior code we all had to sign to. At least our dress code at the time was easier than Trevecca's--we were allowed to wear blue jeans to class. Quite the enlightened place, wouldn't you say? ;)

One of my best friends in the English dept. there was an atheist. You can just imagine the flack he got. Then there was the time I sat on a panel before a presidential election in chapel and told everyone they shouldn't be single issue voters and that Dole really wasn't pro-life, so it didn't matter. My drama geek friends and I had to band together, and we still keep in touch. The only reason I survived that hellhole was because of my friends and a few amazing profs.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 10:14 PM
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24. Apparently they had Pantene conditioner, hair brushs, and beard trimmers in Eden.
It truly was a garden of wonders.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 01:40 AM
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27. Either that...
...or god used Sarah Palin's hairdresser.

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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 12:18 AM
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25. So I watched the video...
And I really feel dirty now. I'm going to have to go to some very outrageous porn site now to get the stink of that place off me. How much money must that place take in every year? And you can bet not a dime of it is taxed.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 01:46 AM
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28. Bout as good an excuse as I've ever heard....
- to watch the pR0n. Yuck, yuck...

And yes, it is truly a tax-avoidance racket they've got going there. As well as a monument to ignorance and stupidity -- all rolled into one!

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 01:48 AM
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29. Why does Adam have nipples?
Has this been addressed by their "scientists"?
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 03:50 AM
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30. And a even more intriguing question is.....
Edited on Sat Dec-13-08 03:50 AM by DeSwiss


...why does Adam have a navel???





on edit: spelling
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 07:18 AM
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32. Expansion ports
High-bandwidth connectors or something. God has plans y'know, probably involves fiber optics.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 03:57 PM
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36. Well, if that's what that is....
...he should have used it to do a data-dump after that first snafu with the failed "YES-NO" command.

- Yeah, I know. Nothing would have helped in the end. Probably using Windows back then....
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 02:11 PM
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35. Caption: Eve says to Adam: "You want play, you gotta pay."
Seriously...look at that pic again.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 04:00 PM
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37. Yep.
She looks as if she's demanding his credit card so she could go to Saks later. Luckily Adam convinced her that it was still in his pants.


- Which hadn't been invented yet.....
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