Nine year old rape victim excommunicated

[pokerfan]

Such a loving church.

The stepfather who sexually abused the little girl for over 4 years has not been excommunicated. The church has stated that the sexual acts he forced upon the little girl and her mentally disabled older sister are not as bad as ending the life of an unborn child. "It is clear that he committed a very serious sin, but worse than this is the abortion," Sobrinho declared.

http://www.latina.com/lifestyle/news-politics/vatican-excommunicates-mother-and-doctors-9-year-old-rape-victim

Yeah, that makes sense.

[av8rdave]

1. I don't think they excommunicated the girl

They did excommunicate her mother for doing what any responsible, loving parent would have done. Just as wrong as excommunicating the victim, IMO.

[pokerfan]

3. Right, they merely condemned her

Don't know what that means but it doesn't sound good.

[av8rdave]

4. Condemned her....that is so much better

:sarcasm:

God forbid any of those priests/bishops/popes/whatever ever have to face a situation and decision like that in THEIR lives.

Oh, that's right...they can't have kids/families. Which is why they are so qualified to dictate how others deal with theirs!

[struggle4progress]

9. Condemned a 9 year old? I seriously doubt that

[pokerfan]

11. link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/4968239/Brazils-president-attacks-Vatican-for-condemning-nine-year-old-rape-victims-abortion.html">Brazil's president attacks Vatican for condemning nine-year-old rape victim's abortion

[struggle4progress]

13. See link in my #9 below

[pnwmom]

17. They excommunicated the adults but specifically NOT the child. n/t

[pnwmom]

16. They absolutely did NOT. This is a lie. n/t

[tangent90]

2. They excommunicate victims and transfer molesters. It's a tribute to their Savior.

:eyes:

[pnwmom]

22. The OP was an anti-Catholic lie. The girl was never ex-communicated. n/t

[Dorian Gray]

5. The girl was not excommunicated

Her mother and the doctors who provided the abortion were. I don't think that's a good thing (my position), but you are providing misinformation. According to the church, the 9 year old child is not morally responsible for anything that happened here.

[pokerfan]

6. Ah, it was canceled

Brazilian bishops have canceled the excommunication of the mother and doctors of a nine-year-old girl who had an abortion after being raped.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2009/03/14/1245a40abd9e

[struggle4progress]

10. That's sloppy reporting. But you knew that already, didn't you?

[pokerfan]

12. Are you saying they didn't back down?

http://www.examiner.com/x-2370-Denver-Early-Childhood-Parenting-Examiner~y2009m3d6-9yearold-rape-victim-excommunicated-by-Catholic-church">9-year-old rape victim excommunicated by Catholic church

So what's the real story?

[struggle4progress]

14. Code of Canon Law

Liber VI. De Sanctionibus in Ecclesia
Part II. Penalties for individual delicts
Title VI. Delicts against human life and freedom
Can. 1398 A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P57.HTM
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM

The official Catholic position is that abortion is so grave an offense against innocent life, that the act of procuring an abortion automatically excommunicates the parties responsible, without any other another action by the Church, whether or not the act is known in public, and whether or not the Church actually makes an pronunciation regarding the event

In the present case, of a widely publicized abortion in a country where abortion is rare, an Archbishop simply pointed out what the ecclesial law was. According to the Church view of the Church law, neither the Archbishop (nor any other Church figure) actually undertook any action in this matter, because according to the Church law, the excommunication follows automatically for procuring an abortion. The actual Catholic position has been widely misreported.: nobody holds the little girl responsible for any of this in any sense

I have some disagreements with various Catholic views, but since I'm not a Catholic, I'm not competent to speak for either the hierarchy or the laity of that Church. If you're interested in fine details of the Canon law, you can read it for yourself. But if you have no sympathy for Catholic beliefs or practice, why do you care whether the Catholics exclude someone from communion? As far as I can tell, you're primarily looking for something to be noisily outraged about

[kanrok]

21. Well said

n/t

[pnwmom]

23. Thank you. I don't think it helps progressive causes to associate DU with

anti-Catholic bigotry.

[pnwmom]

19. The GIRL was never considered ex-communicated. You deliberately distorted that.

[Dorian Gray]

24. Honestly

the outcry was probably so off the charts, they had to. However, if what they said is true, that through the choice or process alone a person would be excommunicated (or not), their words mean little in the matter. It's between this woman's conscience and God. (I am, however, totally on her side. I would have made the same choice for my 9 year old daughter in those circumstances.)

[Why Syzygy]

26. The same choice

as this mother and Lorena Bobbit, (not guilty due to insanity).

[Dorian Gray]

27. Yeah...

I may have made the Lorena Bobbit choice, too... if I caught my husband raping my daughter.

[struggle4progress]

7. "Archbishop José Cardoso Sobrinho of Recife, Brazil has rebuffed reports that the Church

excommunicated a 9 year-old girl ... The Archbishop .. explained that, contrary to the press reports, all those involved in the abortion have incurred in excommunication latae sententiae (automatically) “except for the little girl, who is not morally responsible for this tragic act” ... The Catholic Church teaches that a person who commits a sin of grave matter must be fully conscious, or in this case, have a mature understanding of the act they are committing ... “All those who approved, promoted and performed the abortion, incurred automatic excommunication, according to code 1398 of the Canon Law” ...

Archbishop explains excommunications in abortion case involving 9 year-old
Brasilia, Brazil, Mar 6, 2009 / 05:33 pm (CNA)
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15301

[sam sarrha]

8. she's lucky she wasnt burried up to her neck and stoned to death.. or was that th other godly people

[defendandprotect]

15. Can we all vote on excommunicating this Pope --- ????

[pnwmom]

18. How many times is this LIE going to be repeated on DU? n/t

[Dorian Gray]

25. As long as people

want to rile up anger against the Catholic Church.

(Forever....)

[kanrok]

20. Awww, geez..not AGAIN

Does anybody here check to see if a thread has been written about a subject before they post?

Just askin'.