Faith vs Reason

[Are_grits_groceries]

http://digg.com/page2

Whatever.

[tekisui]

1. !

:rofl:

OMG! That is hilarious. They are terrified of thought!

[Why Syzygy]

2. That's pitiful. nt

[TWiley]

3. No Shit Sherlock ... !

So is arithmetic and science for the same reason. oops, I said the "r" word.

[Solly Mack]

4. that damn evil thinking

[hobbit709]

5. Belief gets in the way of thinking and that sign proves it.

[tavalon]

6. Oops, I don't think they meant to be that honest

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. Ahem..... there's this,

Then there's this...




Then there are those who pray to Yoda




And don't forget the Santa Claus that states:

Shop early for reasons unknown.

[walkaway]

8. Haven't you ever noticed that christians never have ideas?

They spend most of their "thoughts" trying to fit into the tenets of their faith or balming those who don't for the world's problems.

Even when they educate themselves it's only to preform tasks. New ideas are either ignored or twisted to fit into their ideology.

[TWiley]

12. Exactly ! They replicate everyone elses ideas. Consider this logic:

If God is a Creator,
and Christians are Godly,
then why are Christians not creative?

[SmileyRose]

15. Obama is a christian

:shrug:

[Kalyke]

35. They don't?

Hmmm... that's not what I've read:

Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.

Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."



http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. Doesn't make sense

Reason is part of our makeup. Since we are creations of God (Who created everything from God), Reason is God too, and therefore sacred, as is everything. What I read in this sign is a rigidity of thinking and an unwillingness to realize that our God concepts grow and change and yes, evolve.

[C......N......C]

10. Everybody has a bad post sometimes.

Too bad they put theirs on a sign on a highway.

[rucky]

11. You can't argue with that.

literally. you can't argue with that.

[Odin2005]

13. Reason is Man's highest faculty, Blind Faith is his lowest. No contest.

One should take NOTHING on blind faith. One should, as Immanuel Kant said, "dare to know", and, as Socrates said, to be aware of one's own ignorance and not make shit up in it's place. One of the great virtues of Western Civilization, and we inherited from the Greeks (and especially from the greatest iconoclast of them all, Socrates), is a skepticism towards faith-based dogma. To be a Westerner is to be an iconoclast, a critic of "received wisdom".

[Taverner]

24. Faith is a mind virus

It spreads like one

Is as damaging as one...

[KittyWampus]

31. True, but I wish more DU'ers who spout off on these threads were more aware of their own ignorance

when it comes to philosophy.

And I appreciate your using the word "blind" faith.

That shows you're actually giving a thoughtful reply to engage in discussion and not just lashing out verbally at people who annoy you.

[ThomWV]

14. Once again, a poorly present argument. Its not reason that's the enemy for faith

It is facts or the demand for them that is the greatest enemy of faith. Reason is how we deal with observations, religion is not the lack of reason its more correctly the applicaton of reason to to speculation.

[timtom]

16. Faith and Reason are not antithetical.

[BlooInBloo]

19. The only people who say that are religious people, trying to get on the bandwagon of rationality.

[timtom]

20. You again.

As predictable as yesterday's fish wrappings. I took everyone off ignore (that included you), but back you go, me hearty!

[BlooInBloo]

21. Spoken like a very religious person.

[KittyWampus]

30. and your original post is spoken as a very philosophically ignorant and/or immature person.

[KittyWampus]

29. buddy, if you were permanently stranded on an island, the fact there are atoms and molecules

would be completely a matter of faith for any kids who grew up there.

[BoneDaddy]

34. Thomas Aquinas

Faith and reason do not have to be anti-thetical...I completely agree. I think it comes down to a definition of terms on how people define faith.

Faith in an old man with a staff who wants the Patriots to win the Superbowl? Nah.

Faith that there is more than pure reason as the answer? That the upwards of 10 dimensions that quantum physicists propose bely a "reality" that is much deeper than we can possibly imagine? Sure.

I find those attached to pure reason as fundamentally flawed as those who adhere to a reality based entirely on faith.

[malaise]

17. It's true

Thinking people don't give snake oil salesmen their money.

One question - is English language also the enemy?

[Odin2005]

25. "is English language also the enemy?" No, the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is nonsense.

The popular notion that language determines thought is based on the assumption that we understand concepts with verbal thinking alone. That might be true for some people, but there are many people that are very visual thinkers, the most well know example being the Autistic animal behaviorist Temple Grandin, who wrote a popular book on the subject, many other individuals with Asperger's Syndrome/High-Fuctioning Autism are the same, myself included.

[BlooInBloo]

18. Completely true. It was put best by Kant....

[SidDithers]

22. I originally thought that must have been done with a sign generator...

like this one: http://www.churchsigngenerator.com/


But now I'm not so sure. There is a Beryl Baptist in Vilonia, AR with a pastor John Lindsey.

I still think the pictures might be a shoop. Fundies aren't really that stupid, are they?

Sid

Edit: forgot the link to the sign generator

[BlooInBloo]

23. It is impossible to overestimate the stupidity of Americans.

[Odin2005]

26. Yes, they ARE that stupid.

Fear of, and even hatred against, reason is common among both fundies and new-agers, a hatred encouraged by the inane rantings of Postmodernist buffoons that deny the existance of objective truth.

[Deep13]

27. So wrote Martin Luther. nt

[KittyWampus]

28. they work hand in hand.

[edhopper]

32. How so?

[arthritisR_US]

33. well, at least they are honest. n/t