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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:27 PM Original message |
The Problem With Demonizing the Word "Faith" Is In Giving Up Your Own Power |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, you were doing so well until you got to this: |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Exactly - it's like saying that atheists are making a calculated gamble |
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Sinistrous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. See: Pascal's Wager, and |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Everybody makes calculated gambles everyday of their life. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Do you realize the horrible equivocation of the word "faith" you're performing? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Not I, my belief is that was the minister's motivation on the link of the O.P. |
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JustCommonSense (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Nope |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. "Anything believed" |
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JustCommonSense (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. "faith" debate |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Welcome to D.U. JustCommonSense. |
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JustCommonSense (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Thanks - and peace to you as well. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. No my feelings are the same, welcome. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Welcome to DU! |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Peace be with you |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. Reasonable argument |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. My belief is that I know nothing. |
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ironbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. I share your belief Uncle Joe |
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JustCommonSense (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Ditto bro! |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
14. Do you believe in Luke Skywalker? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Do you believe science or physics has reached it's total culmination |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I don't believe that science or physics has reached its total culmination |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
17. You may wish to research the difference between "strong" and "weak" atheism |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I believe, it's not possible to "not believe" without believing. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. You're describing your own limitation |
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cambie (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. That is stated very clearly Uncle Joe. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
50. Is there no difference between believing you believe something and believing in God, for example? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. There is a qualitative difference of degree but they're essentially the same. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. You might think of the basic sort of faith you're talking about as an evolutionary adaptation. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Per my post #57, I don't view that sign as an affirmation of faith so much as a lack of it. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. But there are many people--more and more, in fact--who are living without faith in a creator. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Throughout human history, belief in religious/spiritual matters have run through cycles, |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
54. Until you're capable |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
21. I don't associate any "power" with the word "faith" that I mind giving up. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. You're an intelligent person and as such I wouldn't expect you |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. There's no power in the word "faith" if you make it so bland... |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. If you don't view your atheism as a form of faith, I'm not suggesting you should use |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. As long as we aren't in the realm of floating, shifting definitions of the word... |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. The problem is, religion evolves, but it always monopolizes the word "faith" |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
23. I think there are inherent problems |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. I agree with your ideals, rmeck. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. I agree. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
26. One needs to distinguish faith from blind faith. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. I agree to an extent, Odin but I believe the minister posting that message on his marquee |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
27. All this nitpicking about a stupid word. Who the fuck cares...all I know is that I have no belief in |
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JustCommonSense (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. You are fortunate |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
29. One can HOPE without having FAITH. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. If hope and faith aren't twins, they're at least siblings, |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Wishing and believing are two different things.... |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I agree, but they spring from the same root. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
32. "I believe I'll have a beer" is not a statement of faith. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. To a microscopic degree, it might be, |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. You have made the definition so broad |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I would love to take the credit for broadening the definition, |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. It is ridiculous to say that one definition applies to ALL uses. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I believe on a subliminal level it can, I also believe language continually evolves, now you can sit |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Your Holy Book is infallible and You are the Prophet |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. First you said I broadened the definition and now you say I've chosen only one? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I think you are being an idiot on purpose. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-01-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. If you have given me any benefit of the doubt on this thread or any other thread, I missed it. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-02-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. I agree with the church sign's meaning, but not its intended significance. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I can understand your point of view. but I see no reason |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. If by faith you simply mean "things that are believed"... |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Can you name any religion or faith that isn't outside of the realm of reason, |
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Sandrine for you (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
64. In french we use the word ''foi'' and it's specifically referring to the religious connotation |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-04-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Thanks for the historical background on the roots of the word faith, Sandrine for you, |
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Sandrine for you (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-03-09 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
65. And, as a french speaker, I'm betting a 5 that you do not properly using the Pascal gambles. nt |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-04-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. As an agnostic, mystic, *Buddhist, Baptist, mutt I wouldn't take that bet. |
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