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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:19 PM Original message |
Honest question: How does someone pretend to have a faith he doesn't believe in? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. I was a medic for ten years |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I think that might be part of it for him, too. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Well I understand that, I used to feel something when going to temple |
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HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. Has it ever done you any good? |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Personally, yes. |
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HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. 'God 'doesn't seem to have helped |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. And that's where we disagree. |
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HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You told yourself a fairytale. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Okay. |
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HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Hey, YOU asked the question. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. Except that's not the question that was asked. It was the one you wanted to |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. That wasn't what I asked, though. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. It is. Absolutely. nt |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. She said in her OP that she wasn't interested in bashing of her faith. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. You know, it surely sounds like you DO |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-07-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
70. So you don't have any problems? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
62. That's some pretty sanctimonious bullshit right there. |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. started thinking about what I believed, vs what I knew first-hand to be true. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. I used to believe in Santa Claus, but I don't any longer. One day I looked around and said to myself |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. On Santa: Why does he give the rich kids nicer presents than he gives the poor kids? |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. I think this was my kids' last year for Santa, too. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-29-09 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. I can only remember being a little kid and afraid not to believe |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. That makes sense. |
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elshiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
17. Losing my faith was kind of a divorce for me. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. Thank you so much for this. |
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elshiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Thank you, I love your posts, too. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I'm critical of a lot of those discussions, too. |
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elshiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Yes, I get understand that, as I said, I was a Religious Studies Major in college. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I would go off on her, just like I did that Focus on the Family PR chick. |
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elshiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Thank you, again. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. My church now is a lot better, though we still have a lot of work ahead. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-07-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. I have a very good friend who's converted to Orthodoxy, |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. They can't extrapolate because they don't want to - it would |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Amen to all of that. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You know, I cannot remember who it was |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
18. Sorry you're going through the stress and crazy. |
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left is right (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
19. first, allow me to offer my sympathies for the hurt you must be feeling in these very terrible days |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
21. I think people get caught up in black and white with faith. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. That makes a huge amount of sense. |
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coyotespaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
22. Pretending to believe is much like |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. God and I have an understanding. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:59 AM Response to Original message |
23. People can use the same words without meaning the same things |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
24. He was doing this religion conversion to be with you |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. I'm beginning to wonder about that. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
25. "If you ever believed, how did you stop believing in anything?" |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. I mean that, for those who started out in a faith, how did they leave it? |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
26. People go through the motions with a lot of things |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. To answer your question about how people can change religions |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. We knew beforehand that we wanted to convert but waited for family. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
27. As for "If you ever believed, how did you stop believing in anything?" |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
28. I never stopped believing. My faith |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Bless you. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
29. A lot of people just go through the motions |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
30. "his long-term infidelity (six years' worth)" |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
47. It's been rough. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
31. To answer the specific question - it's a piece of the proverbial pie |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
32. For me, facts overwhelmed the fantasy. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Fear and guilt aren't as much of a faith thing for me, though. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. I understand. The fear and guilt is a tool to keep some people |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
34. I'm very sorry to hear this, Knitter |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. I am, thank goodness. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
35. Do you think perhaps that both the infidelity and the loss of faith |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. And I do. It's just hard to see him as a totally different person now. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I'm so sorry, Knitter... nt |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
60. Here's my belated attempt. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
65. I've never had faith, so I've never had anything to lose. |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
66. I stopped believing when I started thinking. |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-06-09 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
67. I'm sorry this is happening, Knitter. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-06-09 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
68. I'm sorry you're going thru such a hellish divorce, knitter. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-07-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Bless you. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 04:47 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Thank you. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Then you know where I'm coming from. |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-09-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
74. I came to the realization that I never really believed |
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MikeH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 02:37 AM Response to Original message |
75. I felt that my faith had not been of help to me in enabling me to deal with personal issues |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Wow, Mike. Very well written account of your experience. |
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