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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:48 PM Original message |
Churchgoers more likely to back torture, survey finds |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. Jesus Wept, Sir.... |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Wow. No kidding. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
43. To Try And Analyze It Rationally, Ma'am |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Yeah... you make yet another in a continuing series of good points. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. St. Paul, Ma'am, Seems To Have Encountered That Almost From the Beginning |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
94. Sir, you are MOST expert at connecting the dots. "American Exceptionalism"! |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #94 |
133. It's not exclusive to Christianity or the U.S. |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #133 |
215. Bingo! Most synagogues (I was raised as a Reform Jew) tend to |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #71 |
214. This is EXACTLY why some hardcore fundie (i.e. Baptist-ish) churches |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #214 |
255. Indeed, Sir: At Any Church But One Of a State Cult, National Ensigns Hardly Seem Appropriate |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
72. There's a bumper sticker about that, it's fairly common where I live.. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
88. That bumper sticker is common everywhere |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #72 |
193. I've seen it on the same car as "I don't get mad; I get even." |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #193 |
220. That is indeed chilling.. |
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alterfurz (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
229. bumpersticker from Madison WI: |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #229 |
262. I remember this one from the early years of the Bush-Cheney war: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
124. To buy more glittery vestments and gold chalices to mesmerize the fools with. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #87 |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #148 |
163. He is not bigoted. |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:52 AM Response to Reply #163 |
171. Just curious. |
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ecalmosthuman (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #171 |
195. double post |
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ecalmosthuman (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #171 |
196. Are you serious? |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #196 |
259. I know the difference in the two words, I want to know the difference in practice. |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #148 |
170. "For Catholics, a Door to Absolution Is Reopened" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:19 AM Response to Reply #170 |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #148 |
174. Wikipedia? |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #174 |
201. . |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #201 |
202. How true... |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #201 |
242. Protestants condone torture but Catholics are bashed |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #242 |
249. I did... |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 05:44 AM Response to Reply #249 |
282. agrees in general.... |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:06 AM Response to Reply #87 |
153. I believe that you are a bit over the top and not well informed about Catholicism. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:33 AM Response to Reply #153 |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:48 AM Response to Reply #87 |
156. I think the word you're looking for is "indulgence", not absolution |
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Doc Martin (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
135. Another quote in the spirit of the one you offered |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
103. If it was good enough for Jesus then it's good enough for me! |
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Blaq Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #103 |
141. Wasn't Jesus tortured on the cross? |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #141 |
208. Yeah, that's what I was referring to |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
104. Gives a whole new meaning to "do this in memory of me", doesn't it? |
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Stellabella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. Boy, are you right. |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
176. Not according to American Christians! |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
183. Him and me. |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #183 |
186. Modern Day Pharisees----isn't that the truth! |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Religion is about anger and hate anymore |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. The thing is, it isn't. Or doesn't have to be. I went to a local Episcopal |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #15 |
190. You beat me to it - nothing is black and white |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. Religious people tend to be fearful. That's probably why they |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
125. My thought also. More devout = more afraid. n/t |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
147. If everlasting torture works for god it must be good. |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
192. Religion is about anger and hate anymore |
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konnichi wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. Does that surprise anyone? They get off on stuff like this |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
106. Exactly. They all have persecution complexes for the most part. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. If the Roman soldiers hadn't tortured Jesus Christ... |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. cha-ching!!! nt |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. The fundamentalist Christian beliefs today have little to do with the |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #23 |
216. Agree. These results are so sad. What an indictment of religion. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
76. If the Roman soldiers hadn't tortured Jesus Christ.... |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
110. Maybe they sat through too many showings of the Mel Gibson movie |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. go figure |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. Those pictures have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. yes in the ecclesiastical sense |
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JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
7. What is waterboarding, after all, but merely "extreme baptism"? |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
121. LOL! |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
184. OMG. "Coming up on FOX: Extreme Baptism" |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #184 |
238. Followed by "When Baptists Attack!" |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. That's not surprising. |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
67. Hmmm.. torture didn't work on Jesus |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
95. Torture didn't work on ANYONE the religious people hold dear |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
248. How did it not work on Jesus? |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
9. has something to do with the 'burning Bush' and turning waterboarding into wine |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
10. Apparently church goers aren't getting the message. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. With all their praying, shouldn't Jesus be talking to them about this? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
189. Jesus spoke about this a long time ago. They ain't listening. |
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MinneapolisMatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
11. WTF? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
78. That about sums it up |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
12. That makes me proud to be a non-believer. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. I Believe |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
145. and not part of the 40% |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 02:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
150. Me too |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
13. "NOOO-body expects the Spanish Inquisition! |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. Just as I suspected and |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
16. And support for Prop H8 in CA was directly related to church attendance |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
19. LOL - sadly - I already knew that |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
22. There's something seriously wrong with these people. |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. they are wired all wrong. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
24. Well, Jebus said, in |
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go west young man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
52. is that in King James "The waterboarder" version? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Well, all of those are based on the same source documents, |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
25. And as an atheist, they call ME "amoral" |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Infuriating isn't it. |
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Budgies Revenge (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. what it might be reflecting |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. So torturing Tim McVeigh or abortion-clinic-bombers would not be so well received? |
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Budgies Revenge (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. going off of some of the things I've heard |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
27. Matthew 25: |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. The Christians who approve of torture do not read |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. For reasons too complicated to go into here.. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. The differences are many between the |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:38 AM Response to Reply #56 |
155. I get the same impression that you do, |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Of course they don't read Matthew. There wouldn't be Xtian 'get rich quick' televangelists |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Oh, I'm not talking about the get rich quick mega churches. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. Oh, of course. You are totally right. |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
167. NOW you are making sense. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #36 |
198. That meme is not supported by historical fact. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 04:56 AM Response to Reply #198 |
281. I believe that your contention.... |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:19 AM Response to Reply #27 |
178. The Gospel according to St. Ayn Rand: |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #178 |
223. Nice post.. Thanks n/t |
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SpookyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #178 |
247. Nice job! |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
251. Wan't it gentle Jesus, meek and mild who condemns unbelievers to the torture |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
28. Well that knocks their "no morals without religion" theory all to hell doesn't it. |
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pmorlan1 (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
29. Info on WSJ and NYT recently released polls |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
97. Yeah, intersting all right. It shows we have a long way to go |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
30. I read this, and I'm sitting here saying: Aiegggghhhhhh, Jesus.................. |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
31. The same people |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
34. jesus would be so proud |
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CubicleGuy (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
35. I can't help but wonder... |
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edbermac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
37. "It's better to lose your skull cap than your skull." |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. YES! |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
74. Mel Brooks is proof positive there is a god.... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
38. Of course |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
39. A great many people are attracted to religion because it offers them a set of absolute rules |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
42. WWJT? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
57. Supply-Side Jesus + Rambo = American Fundies |
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Stellabella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
80. Exactly my thought. |
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MidwestTransplant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
44. WWJD |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
46. Love your fellow man!! yea sure they do. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
48. NATCH! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
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PfcHammer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. honkies got an extra mean bone |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
55. Once again Authoritarianism is the culprit. |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
59. Correlation is not causation |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
61. ding ding |
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Sultana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
62. Fake-Ass Christians |
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Richd506 (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
64. OOOOOOOOOOOOOH THE IRONY |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
65. and this is a surprise? |
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66. Deleted message |
tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
243. that's what happens when you can't spell nt |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
256. How many times are you going to post that? |
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DebbieCDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
69. Yeah they're really into that old testament thing aren't they? |
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Mme. Defarge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
70. Not this Greek Orthodox Christian - n/t |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #70 |
181. Nor this one |
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Mme. Defarge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #181 |
236. Christos Anesti! |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #236 |
240. Alithos Anesti! n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
73. Of course - Religion is as divorced from ethics and morality as you can get |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. You got it... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
75. Some churches have used torture to increase or preserve membership. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
79. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
82. How sad. |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
83. I just thought of a new bumper sticker: "At Least Jesus Got A Trial" |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
84. Do unto others? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
85. But note that even FORTY percent of non-religious people favor torture |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
144. Agreed |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
86. It's not like churches have a HISTORY of torture or anything..... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
89. I am sad and disappointed to hear this of my fellow christians... |
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MetaTrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
90. Evil is as Evil does |
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judesedit (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
91. No wonder so many people are leaving the church behind |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
92. If God says they're evil, their nature is evil |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #92 |
199. Bingo nt |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
93. thank god i now go to |
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irislake (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
96. Count me among |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
98. Hmm |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
99. Not in my church. |
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Milspec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #99 |
187. Nor in mine |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #99 |
267. Nor mine. nt |
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Maineman (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
100. I think the common thread between religion and willingness to |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
101. Not This Churchgoer. n/t |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
102. as gandhi is reported to have observed, "I like your christ. I do not like your christians. they |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. Truer words were never spoken... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
105. Pew isn't showing MOEs for this particular breakdown of the poll but the report |
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condoleeza (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
107. Only 42 percent of people who “seldom or never” go to services agreed? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:41 AM Response to Reply #107 |
169. Wonder what the percentage of just "nevers" was.... |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
111. It'd be good if they specified which churches were being attended... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #111 |
245. Mine, for instance |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
112. Hmm, I guess one is less concerned about torture of others, if one endures it oneself every Sunday. |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
113. Not the LEAST surprised at this. |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
114. well they worship someone who was tortured so maybe it is something they worship n/t |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
115. Many churchgoers think God is a torturer (think of Hell) |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
116. Why am I getting a flashback of a Mel Brooks Flick? |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
117. no surprise at all |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
118. They all get orgasm reading about Jesus suffering Roman enhanced interrogation techniques |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
119. Not surprised. |
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Frisbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
120. This just supports my belief... |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
122. Holy crap! Doesn't surprise me, though. it's very sad. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
123. here`s an interesting article from pew research on this subject |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
126. Sick. Organized religion is full of sick people. (nt) |
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cpompilo (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
127. How "Christian" of them |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
128. torture it's the Christian thing to do |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
129. Exactly why I don't go to "church" anymore. What can one say? What would Christ do? I think not! |
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northofdenali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
130. As Ghandi said so eloquently: |
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enki23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
131. there's a shocker. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
132. an empty faith |
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ms liberty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
134. But of course! If it was good enough for Jesus, it should be plenty good for anybody else! n/t |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
136. and that SURPRISES anybody?!!! |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
137. Well...That's how the Puritans found all those witches |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
138. Who's Butt Would Jesus Shove the Hot Poker Up? n/t |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
139. Nothing like a broad brush religion bashing headline. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #139 |
146. Reporting truth is "bashing"? |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #146 |
213. Implying that all churchgoers support torture |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #213 |
217. The shoes are uncomfortable, aren't they? |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #217 |
219. Broadbrush smearing a whole group of people. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #219 |
222. The only ones being smeared are those who support torture.. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #213 |
233. It doesn't say "all", it says "more likely to". There's a big difference there |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #213 |
270. Your parallel...well...isn't. |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:11 AM Response to Reply #139 |
164. Are there DU rules against reporting the findings of a survey? |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #164 |
211. "Churchgoers" is a broad brush category. |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #211 |
260. But, if they found statistical differences between... |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #164 |
218. We all pay taxes to the US government, which supported torture |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #218 |
261. This isn't an example of outrage directed at anybody. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #139 |
257. No shit, and the replies are so gleefully hateful |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #257 |
274. The bigotry and hatred of the left that shows up in |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #274 |
276. Seems like a broad-brush stroke to imply that this thread is "religion bashing."n/t |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #139 |
278. I think your gripe would be with either CNN or the Pew Forum - not the OP. |
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politicalmajority (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
140. I Wanna Hear What Carrie Prejean Has to Say about Torture |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
142. Same with horse slaughter. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
143. Mob rule |
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Autonomy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
149. Reply to the majority of previous replies: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:52 AM Response to Reply #149 |
157. Deleted message |
Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #149 |
228. So, no complaints about the survey's findings, then? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #149 |
258. Certainly isn't the first time I've felt that! |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
152. They shouldn't object to Jesus being tortured. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:37 AM Response to Original message |
154. Not surpised in the least to read this.... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
158. Support for terror suspect torture differs among the faithful |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:05 AM Response to Reply #158 |
159. That's fucked up. |
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mrs_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:05 AM Response to Reply #158 |
160. same story posted awhile ago?? |
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BobTheSubgenius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:05 AM Response to Reply #158 |
161. WHHHHAAAAAATTTTTTT????? |
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NM Independent (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:05 AM Response to Reply #158 |
162. Who would Jesus torture, again? n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #158 |
225. way to misinterpret one's faith |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
165. You see, Jesus was tortured, but He could have stopped it, therefore He must be for it. |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #165 |
168. Whoa there. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
166. No surprise here, ever read the bible? |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:53 AM Response to Reply #166 |
172. "ever read the bible?" |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #172 |
204. Indeed it would be. |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
173. filed under "i could've told you that". |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
175. I guess we would all be doomed to hell if the Romans didn't torture Christ |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
180. We can file this under "Things we always suspected"......nt |
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DemoTex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
182. What the Bible says about torture (read it and weep). |
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dccrossman (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
185. K&R Here's the Pew link |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
188. Those most likely to support George W. Bush are most likely to support torture. Film at 11. |
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Shireling (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
191. You should be punished! |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
194. WTF??? I saw this headline and my jaw dropped... |
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Bob3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
197. Considering The Inquistion, the witch Hunts and the like. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
200. K & R - everyone should read this, |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
203. Shades of Torquemada! |
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rcrush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
205. Is it cause they watch Passion of the Christ 5 times a day? |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #205 |
209. A coworker refers to "Passion" as torture-porn |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
206. I'm calling BULLSHIT - Over 70% of our population is Christian - this statistic is misleading |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #206 |
212. It's the fundie evangelical churches |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #206 |
232. Don't get caught up in the headline, read the article. |
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Papa Boule (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
207. If Jesus was tortured on our behalf so we can escape torture... |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
210. Wierd |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
221. OTOH, I'd reckon that way less than 1% of UU churchgoers would |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
224. The Passion Play is a real... |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
226. This Churchgoer Never Has And Never Will Support Torture |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
227. churchgoing fundamentalist Christians are not concerned with "what Jesus wants" . . . |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
231. This is the same crowd that made the Passion of the Christ so much money |
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Khaotic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
234. WWJT |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
235. Whoo! A thirteen point swing! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #235 |
254. Most of us do know it's all lies though. |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #254 |
264. Dang. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #264 |
265. Start with the bit about there being this thing called a god. |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #265 |
266. So...let me get this straight... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #264 |
268. Were you born with innate ethics and thoughtfulness? |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #268 |
279. Well, that begs the question... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #279 |
280. Deoxyribonucleic acid nt |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #280 |
284. So the argument is... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #284 |
287. That is exactly what I meant. |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #287 |
288. Oh, I see. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-05-09 03:04 AM Response to Reply #288 |
289. So agreed. I should have been more clear. nt |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
237. Though an atheist myself, I know enough of the Bible to be aware that there's something in it about |
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Papa Boule (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
239. This is also an artifact of the "poisonous pedagogy" Ann Miller writes about |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
241. Why didn't you say wacko "evangelical Protestants" rather than "churchgoers"? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #241 |
283. I imagine CNN said 'churchgoers' because it's accurate |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
244. For their god is a vengeful god. nt |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
246. As I noted upthread, FORTY PERCENT of non-religious people support torture |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #246 |
263. To be fair to both sides... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #246 |
269. Very good point. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
250. Deleted message |
Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #250 |
252. So how do you explain that NON-Christians still support torture at 40%? |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #252 |
253. I didn't say that all idiots are Christian |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #252 |
272. Where are you getting the ‘40% of non-Christian support torture’ statistic? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #272 |
275. From the OP |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #275 |
277. I don’t think that ‘Unaffiliated’ means non-religious or even non-Christian |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
271. Interesting point in the other CNN article: |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #271 |
273. I think we could've guessed that |
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Unca Jim (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #273 |
285. Sounds fine to me... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
286. And yet I am reliably informed, even by liberal believers, |
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