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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:54 PM
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Tallest Torii in Japan (Shinto Shrine entrance)


The main gate of Yasukuni Shrine, known as Otorii, was erected in 1921. In 1943 it was demolished to be used as raw material for the war, and was replaced by a small torii made of Japanesse cypress.
The currently existing gate has been built with donations in 1974, weights about 100 tons and it is 25 meters tall, being the tallest torii in Japan.

http://www.muza-chan.net/japan/index.php/blog/tallest-torii-japan


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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 07:55 PM
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1. I need to put my glasses on
I saw this and was wondering why anyone cares how tall Tori Spelling is

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-10 08:09 PM
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2. Beautiful
We may go back to Japan next year for a visit to family - I would want to see this.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 01:46 AM
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3. How is torii pronounced?
is it a dipthong?
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 02:26 AM
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4. Toe-ree
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:48 PM
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6. toh-ree-ee
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PanoramaIsland Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 10:41 PM
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7. It's an extension. "Tori" would be "toh-ree," so "torii" is "toh-reeee." n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 11:46 AM
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9. LOL, ask a simple question, get three different answers.
Are we sure it's not pronounced "Throat-wobbler-mangrove?"
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:30 AM
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5. There is
a beautiful one in the Brooklyn Botanical Garden.
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PanoramaIsland Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 11:04 PM
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8. Reminds me of visiting Ise Naiku,
the Inner Grand Shrine of Amaterasu Omikami, the great Sun Goddess. It's a huge shrine complex, but the Inner Shrine proper is just a small, immaculately tended thatched hut with gorgeous, ancient Japanese (pre-Chinese)-style construction and gold-wrapped beam ends:

The view that ordinary people are allowed:

It's accessible only to the Imperial Family, their attendants, and the shrine priests and attendants, and has been rebuilt every 20 years since the shrine's founding sometime between the 3rd and 5th centuries BC. It is supposed to house the Sacred Mirror, one of the three items in the Imperial Regalia of Japan - although that's difficult to verify, as nobody but the Imperial Family can ever see it.

The larger complex consists of a network of winding paths leading to various smaller shrines hidden in the woods, each one immaculately tended down to the last stone. The forest is obviously well-tended, but is not terraformed or molested in any way other than that which is necessary to make space for the shrines and the paths to and from them.

Here are a few more photos for you:


Mishine-no-mikura shrine, part of the complex:



The architectural style is allowed only in the Ise shrines, and is based on very ancient methods of constructing rural storehouses.

Visiting Ise Naiku was far and above the most moving experience I've had at a traditional religious site.
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-10 11:34 PM
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10. Awesome Shrine! btw, what does the word "otori" mean?
Edited on Thu Aug-19-10 11:34 PM by Vehl
I remember reading some books by Lian Hearn called the "Tales of the Otori"

They were about the life of a young boy from the Otori clan and his rise to power. They are some of the better books ive read on Ancient japan...not as good as James Clavell's Shogun; but pretty good. All four books are pretty good:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Otori

Japan is high on the list of countries I want to visit....maybe in the next few years i might :) (fingers crossed)
I had some college-mates from Japan who returned to their country,after their studies. so it would be great to meet up with them as well.






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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 05:46 PM
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11. I think the shrine gate is Ootorii (long o, long i) meaning "big torii"
Since the distinction between long and short vowels is often lost when writing in English, I don't know what connection, if any, there is with the Otori clan.

By the way, I have mixed feelings about Yasukuni Shrine, which is an extremely controversial site in Japan. It's where the souls of the war dead are enshrined, including some people who were executed as war criminals. As such, it's a focal point for right wingers. It's so controversial that some families have asked that their relatives be removed from the rolls.

The right wingers make a point of visiting Yasukuni on the day commemorating the end of WWII, and they do so in the spirit of "Here are the poor maligned patriots who got such a bad rap."

The current prime minster and Cabinet did not go to Yasukuni this year, the first time in years that nobody from the government has gone.

It IS a whopping big shrine gate right in the middle of Tokyo, but frankly, it's so big and looms so large that it kind of creeps me out, knowing the history behind it.

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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 07:02 PM
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12. Thanks for the clarification
Edited on Sun Aug-22-10 07:06 PM by Vehl


Since the distinction between long and short vowels is often lost when writing in English, I don't know what connection, if any, there is with the Otori clan.


Thanks :). I didn't know if there were any connections, as i used to think the Otori clan from those novels were a fictional one, but when i saw the name of this monument i was wondering if there were any connections. You are correct...its impossible to compare the English spelling of japanese words and try see any connection.



By the way, I have mixed feelings about Yasukuni Shrine, which is an extremely controversial site in Japan. It's where the souls of the war dead are enshrined, including some people who were executed as war criminals. As such, it's a focal point for right wingers. It's so controversial that some families have asked that their relatives be removed from the rolls.

The right wingers make a point of visiting Yasukuni on the day commemorating the end of WWII, and they do so in the spirit of "Here are the poor maligned patriots who got such a bad rap."

The current prime minster and Cabinet did not go to Yasukuni this year, the first time in years that nobody from the government has gone.

It IS a whopping big shrine gate right in the middle of Tokyo, but frankly, it's so big and looms so large that it kind of creeps me out, knowing the history behind it.



Yes, i understand that this belongs to the Yasukuni Shrine, and I too have some mixed feelings about it. But I believe that Soldiers, regardless of which side they fought and died for, should be honored. I'm not certain..but this shrine actually started as a shrine in the late 1800s to commemorate fallen soldiers of that day...and later on it but carried on the tradition. So its not as if it was built in order to commemorate the ww2 dead.


I am somewhat ambivalent about the version of the pacific war story we are given in the MSM. And no..i'm not trying to explain away the horrors of Nankin and similar events, but imho the moral superiority the allies had went away the moment they dropped the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (not to mention the firebombing of Dresden and Tokyo..which actually killed more civilians than did the nuclear weapons)


I remember reading somewhere that the main reason the Japanese started their imperial expansion during/shortly before ww2 was mostly due to the lack of natural resources...resources Japan was denied by the western powers(colonial nations) of east/south east Asia which had an embargo on Japan.Some historians have suggested that if the Embargo was not there, Japan might not have even joined ww2...and even if it did, it would have joined the allies and not the axis.


This reminds me of a story i heard from my granddad. He was a staunch supporter of Gandhi and the non violent movement, while his brother was a staunch supporter of Subash Chandra Bose, the ex-member of Gandhi's Indian congress but who later split off to fight the British in an armed manner after the Massacre of civilians by the British in Jalian-Wala (the iconic event displayed in the movie "ghandi" )


Bose disliked the fact that Indian civilians had to fight on the side of the British during both world wars even though they had no say in the governing of their country....for him they were but cannon fodder. He made alliances with the Nazis and the Japanese, and raised an Army called the Indian National army, which was Armed and supplied by the japanese. The INA and the Japanese forces fought together in Burma and some imphal.

today the ashes of Chandra Bose are kept in the Renkōji Temple in japan. Indian leaders visit the shrine when they visit Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renkoji_temple


i digress

What i was trying to say is that its impossible to blame the rank and file for the actions of their leaders. Most of them were not even interested in the imperial ambitions but had their own reasons to fight....and some didn't even have the choice, as they were drafted. Therefore i think to stigmatize them, or to not honor their memory is like making outcasts out of the soldiers who served in the Iraq invasion. An invasion based on lies perpetuated by the politicians in power...the soldiers had no say.



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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 02:29 PM
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13. I just realized we also have something similar, called "Torana",placed before Hindu/Buddhist Temples



A torana is a type of gateway seen in the Hindu and Buddhist architecture of the Indian subcontinent.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torana
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