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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:13 AM Original message |
Did Jesus REALLY sacrifice anything? |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. Only his future. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. So you believe the parts of the Jesus story that seem to reflect his human nature |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Seems to me, if that person really could absolve everyones' sins, |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Put your finger on the contradiction right there. Only a mortal can "sacrifice" his life. |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
47. I disagree |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. But he didn't "give up his life" at all |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. Understood. But where is the sacrifice for an immortal? And to what purpose? |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. The divinity aspect is an imponderable and it can neither be proven true nor false. |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #33 |
48. maybe its just semantics |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-08-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
136. DING DING DING!!! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-08-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. Intellectuals don's spend a lot of time trying to prove God doesn't exist, |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. However, there are multiple ways to falsely |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-09-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Lemme get this straight. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-10-10 06:37 AM Response to Reply #136 |
140. You don't have to "prove" |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
34. agreed. I don't buy the pauline claptrap about being god incarnate |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. thats not Pauline, thats straight from his lips. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. given that paul won and the only thing we have is his version |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Paul was and is a large influence on the religion of Christianity |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
71. Well, Paul didn't invent that. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. Oh, I dunno. I guess he could have spent the day relaxing at the mall. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
3. Indeed. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
4. This has *always* bothered me about the Jesus myth. |
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TlalocW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. The thing that has always bothered me (other than this) is |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. LOL, forgot about that too. Make that three things that have bothered me. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. God changed the definition of omnipotence in about 2004, I think. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Yeah. Metaphysics wasn't so meta in those days. Gods were just, like, really big, angry guys. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. I believe in him, his guts, his grace, his wisdom. the rest is pauline |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. The irony is that if it weren't for "Paul," you would likely have never heard of Jesus. n/t |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. possibly. but then again, because of Paul, the real man is buried |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. How can you talk about "the real man" outside of what Paul wrote? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
5. If you believe in such things, his actions were required to change... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. And like both of them, he was fictional. nt |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Mythical is not exactly the same as fictional... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Powefeul, indeed. As well as dangerous. |
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arKansasJHawk (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 02:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
43. Yog-Sothoth knows the gate. |
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pgodbold (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
6. Your new tool has the depth of a Pyrex measuring cup. I realize you can’t understand that. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. So you insult my idea, tell me I am an idiot, then leave me hanging? WTF? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. WWJD? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Seems pretty par for the course. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. You're stark, raving mad to believe that stupid old myth |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
7. I never got that far in my evaluation of the story. . . My thoughts went more along the lines of . . |
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gmoney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
8. the crucifixion was a necessary career move |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
127. So dying helped Jesus' career. It didn't do much for us. |
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StandingInLeftField (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
12. I'd like to paraphrase something I've read alot on DU. |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. The Levite priests and Constantine made it all clear about the Christian religion for me |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
20. Been saying that for years. |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. Not only are many people tortured for month or years |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
23. i wanna know about the whole eternal damnation thing |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Hmmm, thats an interesting take as well. |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. The answer is always, "God works in mysterious ways." So there! |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #31 |
42. i think the whole mythology thing makes a whole lot more sense if you presume god DOESN'T love you |
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Pendrench (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Hi Cleanhippie...you ask a very interesting question...here's my take on it... |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
40. And what are the criteria for going to heaven vs hell? |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. criteria? it depends on who you listen to |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
24. The sacrifice of Jesus does seem like an odd construct. Can't help |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
25. IMO "GOD'S" sacrifice is bogus |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
28. Thinking makes the Baby Jesus cry. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-08-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
135. ... |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
29. K&R |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
32. As Richard Dawkins is fond of saying |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
36. I was told (in Sunday School) that Jesus "took the punishment |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Exactly. The "sacrifice" was really anything but... |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-01-10 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
39. This kind of thinking, being reasonable and all, isn't new. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
46. How long can you take a nail through your wrist? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Depends on how much damage it does. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Your theology is off. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You seem to missing the whole point of the sacrifice then. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. You are absolutely correct. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Yup. Jesus' torment is exceeded every day on God's earth |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. If you're really interested in the meaning of this sacrifice, read about the hypostatic union. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I dunno, I think the folks who are "glib" about suffering... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I'd love to read anyone saying Jesus' suffering was greater. Post it. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. You did. Above. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. You can't read. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. And you're not familiar with your church's official position on suffering. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Yes, I'm a blithering idiot. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Oh I'm well aware that your church thinks suffering is a wonderful thing. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. If you think it teaches pain is wonderful, you're spouting willful ignorance. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Well, with your usual in-depth one-liner response... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. What was that about Mass, again? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Do try to keep up, won't you? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Speak up, I can't hear you from back there. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Ooh, you get so testy when you have no answers. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. What? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. I bow to your superior debate tactics. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. And that right there means you can no longer defend your position. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Read it again. Who is making the claim that suffering is wonderful? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. First let's pin down those goalposts. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Let him answer for himself. He actually has something of substance to say. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Unlike you, obviously. n/t |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
107. HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH! |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 06:37 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Hey Sal! |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #109 |
129. , |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. LMAO |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #66 |
79. I'm not being glib, I am asking how the "sacrifice" of one who already knew |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Use your critical thinking then. If it's not a big deal, what is it? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. I don't know. That what I asked you. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. For one thing, it's not a comparison to what normal humans go through each day. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. It IS an apt comparison to what humans endure, thats what our reality is. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. A trivial act? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Compared to what humans endure on a daily basis, yes, trivial. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Then you haven't been reading this thread. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Actually, I have already removed all of the underbrush |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. I did and you ignored it, which is a species of distortion. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Referring to a bible verse is not an answer. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. That verse has a content which you ignore again. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Ahh, the old "context" argument. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. No context. It's just one line. It won't bite you. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Plenty of parents have sacrificed their children... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. It was done for no gain. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. No gain, huh? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. It wasn't. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. I am once again underwhelmed by your complete failure to actually say something. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Lol. I guess a diect answer to a simple question is too shallow for you deep thoughts. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Yeah, I've always had a problem with "Because I said so" as an answer. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #117 |
131. But thats what YOU have failed to do, provide a direct answer to a simple question. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Then it wasn't a sacrifice. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #113 |
120. WHAT was done? |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
67. Thousands upon thousands of people experienced |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
51. some thoughts |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. What did he sacrifice? |
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MikeH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. What you say seems to be the general understanding among Christians; I have some problems |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
61. Odin sacrificed himself to himself about |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
89. "The only surviving source for Hávamál is the 13th century Codex Regius" |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #89 |
125. Yes, I'm aware of the argument. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. I wasn't proposing to argue with you: I was wondering if you knew of any way |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-02-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
70. Try this one. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #70 |
81. But your anaolgy is wrong because your premise is wrong. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
101. Here is what the homeless Rabbi from Nazareth said about hell and resurrection two millennia ago: |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 06:38 AM Response to Reply #101 |
110. Do you believe in hell, s4p? n/t |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 07:26 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I'm an existentialist, Trotsky. I think that in important ways each of us chooses the world |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. So do you believe in hell? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #112 |
119. Answer yes or no: did you ever stop kicking stray kittens? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Jesus believed in hell. |
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Flipper999 (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. I know that parables shouldn't be taken literally, but... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. The message of said parable also having the effect... |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-05-10 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
128. Only if we stop sinning |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #128 |
132. Not mine. I wasn't even born, nether were you. |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. I was being sarcastic. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. Ahh, sorry. |
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