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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-05 08:34 PM Original message |
The Godless Constitution |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-05 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. how about writing a new one ? |
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enigma000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-05 09:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Americans aren't into re-writes |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Sure, a new Constitution in bi-partisan Corporate double speak... |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 05:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Bad idea |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 07:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. when you write a constitution, it's not by the sitting government |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 11:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Would you write the constitution to be more specific? |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-27-05 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. Secular state that permits freedom of worship. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
8. The Constitution was devinely inspired? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Well I believe that God is capable of inspiring people |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. How would anyone know, though? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I don't know |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Reason is what inspired the Founders. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. OK, perhaps I was unclear |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. How about giving people credit for their actions? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I geuss this is a fine line. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 10:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. They were inspired to be just and good. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 10:39 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Is inspiration something one chooses to have? |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Inspiration can arise from many influences. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 09:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. You don't even want to understand what i'm saying, do you? |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 09:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. God, in my opinion, wanted America to be a land of religious Freedom? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. How is it naive? |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 10:53 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Not all of the founders were Deists |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 11:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I have explained it repeatedly |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 11:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Sorry to interject... |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 11:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. That's fair enough |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Yeah but my point is, |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. OK |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Just as some people thought slavery was ordained by God. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Well; i take it you know the context in which I made my statement? |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 02:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. perhaps the point is, the mind of Jefferson et al is more discernible than |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. But if we have those beliefs about God, shouldn't we own up to them? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I didn't say you had to be silent. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I do see a difference |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. But here's the problem. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Well, we both go into the marketplace of ideas and duke it out |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Argh, that's the problem. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I do see the problem |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. As an Atheist I believe he has every right to speak of his beliefs, but |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Exactly. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. heidler1 and trotsky, can i ask you a question? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I've tried to make it clear... |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. IMO most people read whatever up to a point of either agreement or |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. So basically you are too lazy to find out what my opinions actually are? |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. This sacred thing is what has no place in the Constitution. It would be |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I said inspired, not sacred, there's a distinction |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. belief is a legitimate motivation, of course, but any public policy should |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. My take is if God inspired the Constitution then it follows that most |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Well I can't really say what other people believe |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Of course. But, not meaning to be rude, so what? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Well in the origional context, which I've had to explain three times now, |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. My bad. But then again, does that really have any bearing on the........ |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. In a review of a book dealing specifically with Church State Issues |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I read your bias. Please explain how you can believe that the |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. I am sorry if my belief is inconvenient to you |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. If you claim something is God inspired it then is apt to become sacred to |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. God worshipers are on both sides of slavery, abortion, killing, stealing |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
57. Wrong, not 'in spite of it'. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:23 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. And your bigotry shows. n/t |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. Deists believe in God. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Yes they did. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 12:21 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. It's a bad guess, that's my speculation. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 03:58 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. So are you making an argument for intelligent design? |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 03:11 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. A quote from Jefferson |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 06:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. The god of nature in Jefferson's hand writing. |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:36 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. From nothing, comes nothing. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Order out of chaos. |
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