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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 12:30 AM Original message |
Do you believe in "Love"? Does "Love" exist? Are these the same question? |
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ginnyinWI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. I define "love" as "need" in terms of relationships. |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. One of the 'Great Questions' .... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
3. Oy |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 02:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Do you have enough of that for me? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Absolutely |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
4. oh brother...here we go again |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 02:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Dunno why the question bothers you: seems harmless to me. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 02:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yeah, well that card's been played already. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. My objective could only be "trying to trip .. stupid unsuspecting atheists"? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. You don't have to |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. "Deviates from the orthodoxy"? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. It's not the accoutrements that are needed. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Oh of course that's not needed. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Actually I just said it because I thought it would piss you off |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm sure Jesus is proud. n/t |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. You might not have a very good idea of what Jesus is all about |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. But that sort of thing is just fine with you. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Well Jesus probably doesn't know you the way I do. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Mighty "Christian" of ya, indeed. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. It is another rhetorical advantage that Atheists have over Christians |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Poor disadvantaged Christians |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Thank you. But i'm not being a martyr |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. A number of them, hmm? I don't believe you. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. No I see what you are saying |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Oh puh-lease. Your religion doesn't make you a hypocrite, your preaching does. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #66 |
83. By the way, I was hoping ti would piss you off to |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
101. Awwwwwwww, too bad keyboard commandos only make me laugh. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:33 AM Response to Reply #56 |
73. Hypocracy is based on what you SAY and DO. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:39 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Sure, I can steal one for him. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:51 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. The 12th ones free? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 01:05 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Well now, you know how we feel about that. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:02 AM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Naw, I just think it's incredibly revealing. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 04:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Go right ahead and judge me by my behaivor - |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. When you continue to snark and snip at atheists and atheism, |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. There you go with the distortions. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. "Actually I just said it because I thought it would piss you off" |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Ah - I see the problem |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. How special. |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Dear Bryant69 - I must ask; why are you here if you are not here for |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
42. Hey dude, lighten up. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. Actually that was me being light |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:11 AM Response to Reply #59 |
70. I don't understand why you don't respect him. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 11:09 AM Response to Reply #70 |
84. He's a dishonest arguer. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Justify your remark. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 11:51 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. No I am not |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Then justify your remark. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. If I withdraw my slander are you going to stop slandering me? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Completely false charge. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:38 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I believe based on the whole conversation that |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Actually, my opinion is that you are not. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Perhaps I have misjudged you |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. I never got the feeling you were willing to admit that. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. I said it a couple of times |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Do you prefer name-calling |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. mmmm... I feel a lot of love in here. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. In case you missed it, |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #90 |
115. That's pretty distorted. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. I stand corrected |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Typical distortion |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. You're really hung up on that "distortion" idea. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Unfortunately for you, my memory works. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Perhaps you would like to enlighten me by citing the post |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Sorry I got better things to do than jump through those |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. In other words |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. OK let's jump through the hoops and let the distortion begin |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. You betrayed your true self as biased |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Laughs |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Aha! The "We both know" argument |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. OK - than why did you invoke rule 3? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 06:17 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. It seemed like a good idea at the time. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. That's because I see debate differently than you |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Too Late! |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. OH! I'm sorry |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. It depends on who I am debating |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:52 PM Response to Reply #84 |
97. I agree with you, Bryant. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Hi, kwassa! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 11:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. Well, I wouldn't know anything about "proving the existence of G-d" |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
46. "Actually I just said it because I thought it would piss you off" |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Everything you think I am, I am |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:36 AM Response to Reply #58 |
74. Do you like that Eminem song? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 11:02 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. I've never really listend to Eminem |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
43. Yep. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
8. Ugh...for gods sakes. Love is an emotion...you having that emotion is proof that it exists. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 02:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Unfortunately, these talking points don't come with instructions. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. You can't exhibit a post of mine "denouncing .. atheism" nor a post .. |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Let me put it to you like this. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I don't see how that's a response to my response to BMUS, who |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:56 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. No, RA is correct."it is going to be this fricking silly argument again" |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Apparently you also believe that you can see into the future. |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:24 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. That's what I'm telling you. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. When people say things like "I believe in love" they usually seem .. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 11:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Yes, people say it and mean it all the time. |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 05:53 AM Response to Original message |
10. 1) Of course I believe in love. Almost a silly question. After all, I base my |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
12. Love exists in the mind of the person experiencing it... |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Geez, I blab and blab and you put it better than me in |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
21. I think love exists as |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
23. I know it isn't true, I know it isn't true |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
29. Here's my problem with that question |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #29 |
40. Well, I invite you to look for a post of mine where I made any such .. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. That's what this was supposed to be, except we didn't fall for it. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
67. Apparently you believe in ESP, saving you the trouble of examining |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Oh brother. Yeah, all those other threads asking the same thing don't exist. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:25 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. You made the very claim you deny in #9 and essentially reiterated it in #44, #45 |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch, do I have to spoon feed you everything? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #78 |
104. Give it a rest. |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
50. I disagree. God does indeed exist "in the head" and there alone. |
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jokerman93 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
34. Does love exist? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. I think that's closer to the mark than most of this thread. |
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jokerman93 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:05 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. And |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:02 AM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Actually, I was agreeing with your paragraph "..love has little to do with feelings, or being nice, |
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jokerman93 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 01:33 AM Response to Reply #68 |
80. Yes thanks |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. If THAT is the point of this thread |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 12:42 AM Response to Reply #51 |
76. My own view is more like what I wrote here: |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Then that still doesn't answer my main question |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #81 |
103. The idea that my aims are semantic is yours, not mine. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 07:03 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Of course, we also have what you said. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. When I say "I am .. interested .. in what are trying to communicate by what they say," .. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I will keep this simple. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. I'll try to keep this simple, too: |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. For someone schooled in logic |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Two things different from my question. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 10:54 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. What I said was that I wasn't interested in "proving" the existence of G-d |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. And that's what I said you said but you called me a liar. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #113 |
125. If you can find a post in which I call you "a li@r" do feel free alert on it, as I am |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-04-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. I will agree that you did not use the word "liar" |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-04-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Yawn. What, friend, is the point? Four or five times I provided a link |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-04-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. I think I made it pretty clear that it was MY interpretation |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-04-06 03:36 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Perhaps this link to a post of yours can clarify the nature of your questions: |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-04-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. So you still aren't going to answer the question? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 08:58 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. So this is an excercise in deconstructing a word |
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neebob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
53. Sure, it could be meaningful |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
54. I believe Love is the opposite of, and corrective for, Fear. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Hey Ron....I'm going to have to disagree with you here. |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-31-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I may have to come out as being anthropocentric then, |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-02-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
112. Could it be that religion and seeking god, whether it is love or unity or whatever... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
105. Hmmm... |
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