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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:46 PM
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These are Games where U.S. stars flopped
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11414047/

COMMENTARY
By TIM DAHLBERG
AP Sports Columnist

Updated: 5:14 p.m. ET Feb. 17, 2006
TURIN, Italy - The week that was ended with two gold medals that weren’t. That’s not all that bad, because a wacky snowboarder and some scrappy Swedes at least gave America something to talk about other than Bode Miller’s party habits and Johnny Weir’s bus schedule.

The Olympics were beginning to get a bit boring when Lindsey Jacobellis had an Olympic moment unlike any other. At least she lost her gold quickly; the same can’t be said for the U.S. women’s hockey team.

Missing some Olympic moments? For those who can’t watch the 24 1/2 hours a day NBC is devoting to the games, here’s a recap of the best and worst so far:


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I was thinking this before I saw this article posted. Lots of disappointments, and quite frankly, some of these twits deserve to be disappointed. You know things are bad when ESPN's top Olympic story today was Emily Hughes...yes, the girl who will finish 97th in figure skating is apparently America's best hope right now for redemption.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 08:43 AM
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1. Geez...
Let's not give the other countries and athletes any credit for winning.

I'm getting really tired of this "Americans are choking" attitude from the media.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:15 AM
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2. Well, they're choking when they're favored to win medals...
...and instead they perform horribly. Bode Miller, Johnny Weir, the woman in the snowboardcross who decided to hotdog and fell.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:24 AM
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3. So we lost.
Big deal. Why dwell on it? Is it really THAT hard for the sports media to give some props to the winners, as opposed to merely criticizing the losers?
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:19 AM
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4. This is merely one commentary...I think the media in general is desperate
for a "winner." They built up Bode Miller hugely before the games, and he has been a real mess. If you go to other sports pages, newspapers, etc., they're trying to build up Ohno, Emily Hughes, etc...anyone so that they can find a winner. I don't see them focusing on the losers. I think this commentary has captured what the Americans have done...which is not living up to expectations.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:27 PM
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5. joeybee, lay off. You seem to have NO CLUE re the journey of an athlete.
The sacrifice. The blood, the sweat, the tears. The pukes at the end of a workout. The quest for performance perfection - in contests where fractions of seconds and inches decide the outcome.

Your armchair disdain is puzzling. And annoying.
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:01 AM
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6. I do
I've worked with several athletes who went on the play ice hockey at the Olympic and professional levels. I am just in awe of these people and what they accomplish. Never in a million years could I dream of having the physical and mental toughness it takes to compete at that level, much less win. I've not been lucky enough to see the joy of victory first hand, but I have seen the heartbreak that follows a loss by the smallest of margins. To train your entire life for one moment - the toil, the sacrifice...and then to fail...it can haunt people for the rest of their lives.

That is why attitudes like Lindsay Jacobellis and Bode Miller's are so frustrating to me. They don't seem to care if they win or lose. They already have their endorsement gold, so the Olympic gold is meaningless. They laugh off a loss like it's no big deal ("At least now I don't have to go to the medal ceremony") while for other athletes these two weeks mean everything. The Russian who won the gold in men's fugure skating trained his whole life 1000 miles from home. He left his family behind and they all sacrificed for years for that one event. And there are probably another 50 guys with similar stories back home whose dream ended long before the Olympics. And these kids seem to take it all for granted. I really can't understand it.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:31 AM
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10. That's the point...there are people like you mention who live their
whole lives planning for this...and when Miller and Jacobellis actlike they do, it's like throwing a bird at those people's dreams.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:47 PM
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24. so what should they say?
"I am a failure?" "My entire life is a waste, because I didn't win one event?" "my life is over?" From a skiing perspective, the Olympics are one race, an overall world title is 50 or more races, over a five month span. Which is really more impressive? Bode Miller took a fifth in the downhill, making him the fifth best downhiller on that given day. for an entire year, he was the best overall skier in the World. Downhill racing is not the equivalent of a track event, where you can readily predict who is going to win, based on past performance, and where courses and conditions are always equal. Different courses affect different people in different ways, the true genius, frankly, Bode Miller's true genius is that he skis on the absolute edge, every time, when he does it well, he beats everyone, otherwise he crashes and burns. And, for the past 18 months, he has beaten everyone more than he has crashed and burned. Over a series of races, he's going to beat you, but on any given day, you can't bet on him. At the 2005 World Championships, the one he won the overall title in, he placed first in the downhill and super-g, and posted DNFs in the slalom, GS and combined. Were the three he DNFed in failures? interesting question. as for the Games as a whole, only two other racers have top ten finishes in two or more events, Hermann Meier and Kjetil Andre Ammodt. that's it. If there was an overall title at stake, Bode Miller would be in third. what a crappy showing.

An American example. Think of someone like Tony Stewart in NASCAR. Absolutely brilliant, and over the course of a season, he proved himself the most consistently successful driver (winning the points title) should his season be considered a failure because he came in 15th in the Daytona 500 last year? And his 5th this weekend, the race after winning the Cup Title last season? same position as Bode in the downhill, after all? Just because we hype one quardrennial event, based on hitting your peak one day out of 1461, he's a failure? And Michelle Kwan, with 4 world titles, is a failure because none of them were in a year divisible by four?

Take Antoine Deneraiz, who has won exactly one world class, international ski race in his life, and it was the Olympic race. great for him, a career day, he skied the perfect race in the perfect conditions, a perfect confluence, that's what it takes. But it's one day. Olympic ski races, especially for the men and even more especially in the downhill, are basically crapshoots, rarely does the standing world champion, or the posted favourite win, it hasn't happened in Torino, It didn't happen in Salt Lake, it didn't happen in Nagano, Lillehammer or Albertville. In fact the last time the standing world champion won the Olympic downhill was Bill Johnson in Sarajevo, 1984.

I am altogether confused by people who say that athletes should be more disappointed in their failures, their psyche is between them and their God, not us. I was always taught that sportsmanship involved congratulating the winner, and making them the story, not your loss. But we want hair-pulling. On those particular days, people were more successful than Bode Miller. he knows that, and if he also knows that he was doing his absolute best to win, what's the problem with saying that? "I did my best and someone else was better" it's not the end of the world. In Jacobellis' case, she made a stupid mistake, the person who didn't make the stupid mistake won the race, Jacobellis was lucky to come out with a Silver, and she knows it, why not revel in the success of that, not dwell on the failure? Someone else was better than you, raced a better race, the glory belongs to them, not you. bad luck.

your point that failure can haunt people is a good one, but if it doesn't, if people have more to their lives than this one day, why should it? maybe their lives are more than one day? I'd call that healthy, not frustrating.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:27 AM
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8. Hey, chimpy, I don't understand your comments, not at all...
...why are you so defensive? This commentary that I posted (no, I didn't write it) really does make a valid point--the US team is not performing up to what they were expected to do. Why is that? Instead of simply shrugging it off --blame the messenger--sort of like a Repuke startegy, wouldn't you say?--try to comment reasonably on it. Is that so hard for you to do?????
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:03 AM
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7. That must be why...
the U.S. leads in gold medals and is third in the overall count.

Dahlberg is a hack.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:29 AM
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9. Prior to the Games, the USIOC predicted a mid-Olympics medal count of
15 for the Americns--they had 9 at that point.
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:01 AM
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11. What do those predictions have to do with...
anything when the Olympics are half over? I'd rather see the glass half full, frankly.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:04 AM
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12. Hey, you called the guy a hack and pointed to the medal count...I
just pointed out what the US Olympic committee expected the Americans to have so far. They under-achieving what even the USOC hoped for.
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:06 AM
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14. I called him a hack...
because it's a sensational, shabby story. Being near the top in medals is just fine -- I could care less what the USOC "hopes" for.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:08 AM
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16. Well, you didn't say that in your first post...you definiitely connected
the medal count to his being a hack...nothing was mentioned about the shabby story, in your opinion.
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:12 AM
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18. They're two separate points...
That's all.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:14 AM
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19. Well then, go correct your original post, because you didn't make that
clear...you posted one thing and then say you didn't mean what it clearly implied.

This is getting ridiculous--we're not going to agree--Have a nice day.
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:25 AM
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20. This is ridiclous is right...
You assumed something - I just explained that they're separate points ... no harm done. One has to do with defending the general performance of the US contingent, while the other is an off the cuff assessment of the linked article. So don't tell me to "go correct" something I just explained. You have a good day too. I'm done arguing these points with you, though.

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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:06 AM
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13. The US is having its second-best Winter Olympics ever...
...and best ever performance on foreign soil.

http://www.cleveland.com/olympics/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1140341797300470.xml&coll=2

Of course, no one would beleive that after listening to all of the self-loathing crap belched forth by NBC.
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:08 AM
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15. exactly ...
I'm quite proud of how they've shown up and participated.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:11 AM
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17. You need to put that in context...probably the second most medals...
...but not the second-best. The number of sports that have been added in recent years has skyrocketed, and these are sports where Americans are dominating--short track speed skating, moguls snowboarding, etc. But if you look at the "traditional" sports, the US really hasn't made up any ground in those...other countries still dominate.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:57 AM
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21. Cry Babies
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 08:05 AM by erpowers
Am I the only one who thinks that some of the member of the U.S. Olympic team are just cry babies. It just seems that this year's team wants everything done for them and for everyone to baby them.

I would just like to point out that I am upset that some people are bashing Shani Davis for skipping the team pursuit. My main problem is that people seem to only be upset that this stopped Chad Hedrick from being able to get five (gold) medals. Neither Shani nor anyone else skates for the United States of Chad Hedrick, they skate for the USA. Shani's main goal should not have to be getting Chad Hedrick five medals. I think criticizing Shani for not being a team player is okay, but to make it about Chad Herick not getting five medals is just stupid. In addition, Hedrick has not been the greatest teammate to Shani Davis. It took Hedrick forever to even acknowledge Shani Davis even after being asked about Shani directly.
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:27 AM
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22. Shani is not blameless here
He's an asshole. Period. I don't care if he is the first black American to win a gold, he's a prick and shit ambassador for the sport.

Furthermore, when the hell did this become about Hedrick not getting five medals? It's about Davis deciding not to skate for the pursuit (which is, let's face it, a stupid event anyway).
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:22 PM
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23. Media
The media has been making it about Hedrick not getting five medals. I have read two articles concerning this and both complained that Hedrick would not get five medals. In each of those cases it seemed that media people were more concerned that Hedrick would not get five medals than Shani being a bad teammate. It seems to me that they were putting it out that Shani was a bad teammate because Hedrick could no longer get five medal not because Shani did not skate the team pursuit. It seemed like Hedrick's five medals was more important to the media than Shani not skating the pursuit.
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:02 PM
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25. It is the Olympics where the US "media stars" have failed.
If Ted Ligety, Toby Dawson, and Seth Wescott had been the media's pre-olympic focus nobody would be talking about US "stars" failing.
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