At what point shall I expect to hear all of the DU morans,

[cboy4]

I mean, my fellow sports forum enthusiasts, start riding me about Randy Johnson being on steroids? :eyes:

I'm sure because he plays for San Francisco now, he's juiced, and will be testifying before long in front a grand jury. :puke:

Jealously is so sad.

[trumad]

1. Nah---we'll just ride you for your team signing a washed up baseball player.

Dude was 11-10 last season and played for a much better team than the Giants.

As usual--- you're the gift that keeps on giving.

[TZ]

3. That of course is the correct answer!

If he had been on roids, I'm sure he would have been much more successful in NY (whom seemed to not mind that kind of thing very much) than he was.:)

[cboy4]

5. I will admit I wasn't exactly thrilled about this considering the

Giants' promise of going younger. Groan.

However, after reading his stats, and comments from various experts .. it's not a horrible pick-up as a probable #5 starter.

Noah Lowry, our other lefty (besides Barry Zito), is highly doubtful after nerve surgery, so, I mean if you look at what Johnson did last season, it wasn't horrible.

And he will be pitching in a pitcher's park ... albeit without much offense.

Two words Jamie Moyer....

[madinmaryland]

2. Not steroids, just geriatrics. I hear Clemens and Bonds are available!!

[El Supremo]

4. Not steroids. Growth hormones.

[GOPisEvil]

6. Martyr yourself much?

This would have been a great signing 10 years ago.

[cboy4]

8. You must not visit the sports forum very often if you have to

compose such a jackassed comment.

[GOPisEvil]

11. I visit here all the time.

And, not to continue my (seldom) jackassery, but you invite it with posts such as this. I mean, this is just asinine to suggest that because many people believe Barry Bonds to have been a steroid user, that transfers to every member of the Giants, past and present.

I mean, I'm a Cardinals fan, and I remember Jeffrey Leonard and his stupid "one flap down" home run trot. I thought he was an asshole, but just because he was an asshole doesn't mean I think every Giant is an asshole.

Oh, and because I'm a Cardinals fan, and because most people (probably correctly) assume Mark McGwire used steroids, does that mean that I can assume that people will think that Khalil Greene will be called to testify before Congress on the issue? Do you see how asinine that sounds?

[TZ]

12. wow...logic in the sports forum

Thats a new one...:thumbsup:

[GOPisEvil]

13. What was I thinking?

:D

[cboy4]

24. Is there any depth to your retardati, I mean, confusion?

I wasn't suggesting it applies to "EVERY" member of the Giants.

I was suggesting because the Giants picked up yet another one of the greatest baseball players of all time, Johnson therefore must have cheated to be so good .. just like I hear concerning Bonds.

Ughhhh, do you know how much time it takes out of my busy sports schedule and reading my iPhone manual, explaining this stuff?

[GOPisEvil]

34. Uhhh...don't pull a hammie leaping to conclusions.

[cboy4]

35. Ok. Minus my jokes and insults (serenity now to get thru this)

You really don't get it?

You don't get why it's likely, in order to torture me, some if not many in this forum would accuse Johnson of using steroids because of his Hall of Fame career!? -- primarily because a notorious steroid suspect (Bonds) played for San Francisco?!?!

I never implied you were talking about all Giants. I'm referring specifically to Johnson.

[GOPisEvil]

36. Maybe I am incredulous because it seems like a tenuous argument to make.

Anyone who uses logic wouldn't come to that conclusion re: Johnson.

Actually, I think there was probably 1000 guys who used steroids, including pitchers. I agree that players should be judged against his peers, and so I would vote for Bonds to enter the HOF. I still think he's a schmuck though.

[cboy4]

37. Does "incredulous" mean dumb ass?

:shrug:

HA!

[Forkboy]

7. Nah. But I do reserve the right to keep giggling at his name.

I mean really. Randy Johnson? Randy "The Big Unit" Johnson?

:rofl:

[cboy4]

9. I know, I know, but read my post #5

It's not a bad argument

[BOSSHOG]

10. cboy if you used steroids

you wouldn't have to use a keyboard to bring attention to yourself.

[El Supremo]

14. I bet he uses Viagra though.

:silly:

[cboy4]

15. Penis jokes are generally very lazy and uncreative. Hopefully

you can do better than that El Supremo.

And if you do come up with a better joke, you should, at the same time, return the National League pennant the Rockies lucked into a couple of years ago.

Your conscious must be torturing you.

[El Supremo]

16. Hey, the Rockies are all that I have to be proud of.

The Donkos are losing so bad that I allowed my wife to watch The Sound of Music.

Can you imagine my tortured conscious now?

[cboy4]

17. LOL. That is torture!

On top off it all, you're whipped.

Man.

HA!

[El Supremo]

18. OK you asked for it. You want to see the Dickipedia entry I made for you?

DU's cboy4

[TZ]

19. OMG!!!

Thats freaking hilarious! :rofl:

[cboy4]

26. Hey....I'm just thinking like Johnny Cochran would want:

If the cup don't fit ... uhhhh, well, you know.

It's good discovery turtlensue!

[cboy4]

21. I'm honored.....Like the Wizard of Oz, I command you to

go El Supremo.

Go..... and retrieve a color 8x10 glossy of Barry's testicles, a.k.a. junk.

I hear lots of talk, but yet there's no proof what-so-ever of Barry's alleged steroid involvement.

No convictions.
No MLB rule violations.
No photographic evidence of microscopic "junk."


So you have your homework.

It's not like you'll be busy over the coming weeks watching the Broncos gear up for the Super Bowl.

Your Dickipedia page, while albiet very dickish, needs photographic evidence.

In conclusion, I expect you to fail like the Nuggets, Rockies and Avalance in 2009

[El Supremo]

25. It's too late...

to get a photo of his testicles.



They're gone.

[cboy4]

28. FAIL

[BOSSHOG]

41. Because he has to get up to posting on the sports forum

He is a cocky little banty rooster in here, crowing about the exploits of ole big head barry himself.

My lovely wife got me Horns, Hogs and Nixon Coming for Christmas. About half way through. Very nice read, a good run down of the players and coaches involved, with appearances by Nixon and Clinton.

[hughee99]

20. Even still, he's a better signing than Barry Zito. n/t

[cboy4]

22. Well it could turn out to be that way for the money .. but at the time

when we got Zito, it seemed like a pretty good move.

And despite how badly he sucks, he's turned out to be a bargain considering the cash pitchers like Santana and K-Rod and CC are getting.

[DaveinMD]

23. no it didn't

Zito strikeout rates were declining for some time. And that was a clear sign that a decline was coming.

[El Supremo]

27. I agree.

I agree with this Yankee lover on something?

:wow:

[DaveinMD]

32. we are

both Democrats.

[nickgutierrez]

29. A lot of people don't get that K/9 rates are an indicator.

I remember posting at a baseball message board one season that I thought Jason Schmidt was going to outperform Tom Glavine, in Glavine's first season with the Mets, based on K/9 trends and maybe a few other things. Everybody there thought I was nuts - that wasn't the case nine months later, when Schmidt won the Cy Young.

I like being right. :D

[cboy4]

30. You'll hardly ever win arguing with me against the Giants.

Zito was 16-10 with an ERA under 4.00 (in the American League where they obviously have the DH) the previous year.

The Giants, needed someone after losing Jason Schmidt to the Dodgers.

The Gianst had lost out on a number of free agents prior to signing Zito.

Whenever Zito faced the Giants, he pitched like Cy Young.

Was I happy my team spent so much money on a player that is in the line-up every four or five games?

Not really.

But they needed to pick up someone, and I contend -- AT THE TIME -- it was not a bad move.

I thought he was going to do much better than he has.

Bottom line, to say that Randy Johnson at 45 yeas old is a better pick up than Barry Zito was is ricockulous.

[DaveinMD]

31. don't look at ERA

the peripherals are much more useful in judging future performance.

[nickgutierrez]

33. Here's the thing, though:

Zito's decline to mediocrity was completely predictable. Here are his K/9 rates in the six seasons before the Giants signed him:

2001: 8.61, 3.49 ERA
2002: 7.14, 2.75 ERA
2003: 5.67, 3.30 ERA
2004: 6.89, 4.48 ERA
2005: 6.74, 3.86 ERA
2006: 6.15, 3.83 ERA

ESPN.com doesn't have any stats on batting average on balls in play (BABIP), but I'd bet cold hard cash that he was extremely "lucky", for lack of a better word, in that department in 2003, and that it swung way back the other way in 2004. It's not a perfect correlation, but it tracks pretty well, and it does show a pretty steep decline.

[cboy4]

40. Oh come on .. it was not completely predictable .. especially

with him pitching in a San Francisco stadium renown as a pitcher's park.

Believe me, I'm no big Barry Zito fan considering the way he's fucked us.

But it'a very easy to blast him now...

Had he pitched better, everyone would be going on and on about how the Giants stole him from the A's.

[DaveinMD]

43. why

do you continue to ignore the K rates. The decline that was posted above was completely predictable. In fact, it had already begun to happen in previous years.

[hughee99]

44. Randy Johnson had a better year than Zito since he got to SF

In fact, Johnson had arguably a better year than Zito did in his last year at Oakland. Since Johnson's coming from the NL West anyway there will be no "adjustment period" to learn the hitters AND (and this is the big one) they won't be paying him until the end of time to be an albatross around an otherwise good pitching staff. A starting pitcher who's not good enough to start on a sub .500 team isn't a bargain at any price.

2008 Johnson
11-10 3.91 ERA 184 IP 44 BB 173 K

2006 Zito
16-10 3.83 ERA 221 IP 99 BB 151 K

[madinmaryland]

38. Hmmm. The Big Unit is now the Barry Bonds of teh Giants.

Just another fan magnet to draw in 3 million. At least the Pirates draw in half that with the suckiest management in Baseball.

:sheesh:

[cboy4]

39. Actually we only drew 2.8 million last season .. this is why

we need Barry to come back.

AT&T is a sad, boring place without Bonds ... you know, much like the sports forum without me.

Johnson may help with the draw as he approaches 300 wins, but I still think the Giants will suck out loud.

Not quite as bad as Pittsburgh however, a tam that hasn't finished with .500 record since the 1700's, but ...

[madinmaryland]

42. HEY! The Bucco's are going into their 19th year of a five year rebuilding plan!!

:rofl: