S. Dakota has gone to far....even for some pugs?

[femrap]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11786788/site/newsweek/

I bet some of these pugs are getting heat from women....you expect me to carry my uncle's child??????


It just irks the hell out of me that these ugly-looking rich white guys run around telling women what they can or cannot do after they are raped.

When do we 'frame the issue?' Rapists have NO rights.

[noahmijo]

1. You know what irks me more? Republican women who do the fundraisers

for Repukes and they make all these speeches about family values abortion is wrong and what do they do? sneak off to fuckin Sweden to have their 4th abortion in the last two years just like they did in the 80's.



It's not about religion it's about control, if these phony fucks value life so much why aren't they picketing against wars and the death penalty?

[femrap]

2. Yeah, their hypocrisy is more than I can stand...

Their 'abortions' aren't really 'abortions.' Their daughter made a 'mistake,' but it wasn't her fault.

The only life they care about is their own....why haven't they adopted or taken in foster kids?

Their minds are so twisted....somehow these women like the idea of having power over other women since they are 'allowed' so little control over theirs. If they are the religious wingnuts, this is the only power their church has 'given' them....power over 'sluts.' It's sick...

And now they're going to stand up for rapists???? My head feels like it will explode sometimes.

[MissAmerica]

3. When you say...

"It just irks the hell out of me that these ugly-looking rich white guys run around telling women what they can or cannot do after they are raped..." Excuse me but, although the men really don't have the right to tell women what they should or should not do, can anybody even know the opinion of the baby? Should the woman expecting really be allowed to decide if her baby has the right to live? Does anybody really have the right to chose the fate of the child? I understand where opinions of "pro-choice" are coming from, especially in the cases of rape, but it's made to seem as though all the woman is deciding is whether or not she should get fat for a few months- it's made to sound as though she's carrying around a sack of potatoes- not a human child. Can you really disregard life so easily? And in the cases of teens getting pregnant- teenagers aren't even permitted the responsibility of voting, should they really be allowed to decide the fates of unborn babies without their parents consent? I understand that there will always be exceptions to every rule- but I'm thinking of the majority of unwanted pregnancies here- are most unwanted pregnancies the results of rape?

[Nobody]

4. When an adult woman has an opinion equal to that of a two-cell blastocyst

that is the day that all women everywhere lose their humanity.

Much of the anti-choice rhetoric starts right at one spot: sex. As if heterosexual females are not allowed to have sex unless they mean to have a baby. They oppose birth control. They oppose factual and age-appropriate education about sex and prevention of pregnancy. They oppose the emergency contraceptive pill (which is NOT RU486 and has NOT been responsible for a single death). This isn't even an abortifacient, it delays ovulation and doesn't work if the woman doesn't get it in a timely manner.

No birth control method is 100% effective. Any woman practicing abstinence can be raped. No emergency contraceptives works on women who are already pregnant. If there is implantation, it just doesn't work.

By the way, were you aware that at this stage of development, anywhere from 20-50% of fertilized eggs fail to implant in the uterine wall. (I'm inclined to go with the 20% number, but research has shown at least that many up to 50% which I think is high)

The day a two-cell blastocyst has an opinion on anything that overrides mine, is the day that marks the end of a woman's right to own her own body.

No one here would ever dream of forcing you to abort. Pro-choice is just that. Pro-Choice. To choose to give birth or to choose not to give birth. It is and should always be up to the woman and no stranger should ever have the right to interfere or second guess her. It is not the business of government to require a woman or teenage girl to confide in specific people. She should have the right to choose her own advisors, and if those people are NOT her parents, there is almost always a damn good reason.

[MissAmerica]

5. Well you see, that's just it...

"The day a two-cell blastocyst has an opinion on anything that overrides mine, is the day that marks the end of a woman's right to own her own body."

The two-cell blastocyst really isn't her own body.

[AllieB]

6. The two-cell blastocyst is part of her body

I assume you had basic biology in high school, unless you're from one of those states that don't teach it for fear you may form an opinion based on facts.

I don't mean to be snarky, but women are not incubators.

[MissAmerica]

7. I think I will re-word my statement-

I realize that we arn't incubators- after all I am a woman and I think and such, so the thought did occur. What I think

the question really is, is when do you think that whatever you want to call the thing inside of a pregnant woman

(blastocyst/baby/whatever) is considered a person. I think that is the difference between pro-life and pro-choice

thinkers, because, correct me if I'm wrong, but you believe that innocent people have the right to live.

[Nobody]

9. According to current law

you are a person at birth. If you are older than 16, you have the right to drive a motor vehicle provided you have a license. When did you turn 16? Anniversary of birth? Or anniversary of conception?

If you were conceived by a Brit who was about to take the test to become a US citizen, and after she passed the test and took the oath and became a citizen, you were born, what is your nationality? Assume that your father was also a Brit and took the test on the same day. You would be an American and eligible to run for President.

I consider all legal rights to begin at birth. I also know that a vast majority of people in this country have at least three reasons they deem acceptable for aborting. It is not up to any woman to prove to the satisfaction of the citizenry that their reason is acceptable to them all. I would not want a referendum on whether or not Nobody can have an abortion.

If there is a conflict of interest between a born person and a clump of cells, I'll go for the born person every time.

[benevolent dictator]

10. At the very least

I would say that you can't possibly consider it a "person" or even a "child" until it can survive without the mother. Otherwise, it's pretty much just an organ.

[kestrel91316]

12. Personhood is achieved at birth. In some cases the law may consider

personhood to be achieved at viability (outside the womb). If the woman whose womb is occupied wishes to consider the embryo or fetus a person at any time before then, she is free to do so, but it's HER decision.

NO FORCED PREGNANCY. NO REPRODUCTIVE SLAVERY. EVER.

[Iris]

16. when the child can breathe on his own.

[Nobody]

8. We're talking about a two-cell blastocyst here

not something that has implanted in the uterus. 20% of them never implant at all. Should we inspect every woman's menstrual blood to ensure that this 20% do not slip though the cracks?

Do you really mean to say that blastocyst is more important than the living, breathing, fully-formed woman it developed inside?

[kestrel91316]

13. Of course, silly! Women are mere vessels, required by biblical law

to submit to the will of all men. They have NO rights of self-determination. What a foolish, unbiblical notion........

Embryos and fetuses are SACRED (at least until they are born, and then the females are again mere vessels, and the males are gods).

[Iris]

17. the males are gods or cheap labor and cannon fodder.

[kestrel91316]

11. The blastocyst may only be in her body with her consent. Period.

[TimeChaser]

14. Well, you know

a sperm cell is no less alive than a blastocyst. Do you care about their opinions?

[Nobody]

15. Just a second here, those sperms are illegal immigrants

to the Motherland. We're going to deport every single one of those slippery dudes back to the Fatherland they came from.