My theory of why the republicans are anti choice

[crumb77]

I have recently lived through the most infamous, emotionally charged decisions that politically pulls and tugs for a recognition of moral superiority. I have always had opinions but my mind dug deep when it faced my reality. I had to really wonder why do republicans all of a sudden grow a "conscience" and support life. Let's face it, they are not the party of selfless good morals. I know god smites pro choice but only the meek republicans actually think that is why they are convinced abortion is wrong. So it hit me, now this is just my theory but it makes the MOST sense. First off, for a couple who were not ready for parenthood, it's a second chance, to continue on your dreams to move up, get that raise, afford a home. most families with unplanned babies immediately just accept their blue collar work status because now you have to. It's all about the baby, and that's one less couple attempting to rebuild the middle class. The truth is republicans are against abortions because they know that most unplanned pregnancies are discovered at a time when the couple was not as financially stable as they would have been if they had planed it. It forces them to stay in the lower class.

Just a theory,
Thoughts?

[LARED]

1. Who gets abortions

Half of the roughly 1.2 million U.S. women who have abortions each year are 25 or older. Only about 17 percent are teens. About 60 percent have given birth to least one child prior to getting an abortion.

A disproportionately high number are black or Hispanic. And regardless of race, high abortion rates are linked to hard times.

“It doesn’t just happen to young people, it doesn’t necessarily have to do with irresponsibility,” said Miriam Inocencio, president of Planned Parenthood of Rhode Island. “Women face years and years of reproductive life after they’ve completed their families, and they’re at risk of an unintended pregnancy that can create an economic strain.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22689931/ns/health-womens_health/t/whos-getting-abortions-not-who-youd-think/

[brewens]

2. Not just a theory. That's the most effective way to oppress

the lower classes they ever had. That's why they want to get rid of birth control too.

People at the top that prove they have no values or morals insist on pushing religion on people. They don't believe in it at all except that they believe it works to control people. Pound family values into a kid and and have him get a girl pregnant at a young age. Do away with the social safety net and you basically have a slave. He'll have to work whatever job he can get and go nowhere.

I think land owners that used sharecroppers would actually kick a young couple off their land if they didn't have children right away. They counted on that too make they system work.

[Scuba]

3. Nah, they do for the votes of Christian Evangelicals. n/t

[droidamus2]

4. You tive em too much credit

I don't think the Republicans are quite that deep. In the end they are not 'pro life' they are antisex and antiwoman. I have stated on DU before I think if you look back at the antiabortion arguments pre- Roe v Wade you will find a lot of them centered around the idea that people should not have pre-marital or outside of marital sex and that pregnancy was gods punish for those sinful women that did have sex under those conditions. Therefore the woman should have carry to term as her 'punishment'. I remember hearing these arguments a lot back then. I extrapolate from this that the only reason a woman should ever have sex is to try to create babies (if it happens to be pleasurable at that time I guess they would say that's alright as long as the main purpose was to make a baby). Also, from that argument is the argument that women's duty to society is to make babies whether they really want to or not so 'society' should have control over the women's bodies in that situation (I am sure for a lot of Republicans the phrase 'barefoot and pregnant' sounds just about right).

Look now they are not only trying to ban abortion but with the 'personhood begins at conception' movement trying to ban many kinds of birth control. What kinds of birth control would it effect? Gee, the kinds of birth control that are controlled by women the pill, IUD, morning after etc. So then any attempt at birth control is left to the man. There again they think women shouldn't be having sex because its fun and pleasurable but only if they want to make babies so therefore they have no need to be in control of whether they get pregnant or not.

[DenverDad]

11. I agree.

They see the pregnancy and ensuing child as "punishment" for "immoral" behavior. It's one of the only explanations why, once they child is born, they want to cuts its social safety net and its public education and right to a clean environment. . .

[Nay]

5. Actually, it's simpler than that. No abortion (and, when they get

down to their final objective, no birth control either) has been the classic way to control the female half of the population. I don't know how old you are, but it is within my living memory that women were discharged from their jobs (if they even had one) when they became pregnant. If you were pregnant and unmarried, you were secretly sent off to a home for unwed mothers to have your baby and then have it forcibly adopted out.

Republicans/fundamentalists all believe in the hierarchical family with the man as the head, the woman as the "helpmeet"(also known as the slave who takes orders), and the kids. They know instinctively that in order for most males to submit to any kind of god, they have to give that man someone for whom (in theory) he can make the rules and of whom he can demand things. In other words, women are there to be the chattel so that these men can feel powerful and have power over at least one other human being. This satisfies their lust for domination, and that's what most of these men want, in the end.

[crumb77]

10. I can believe it

My only respectable counter point would be that, as hard as it is to believe, Conservative values do progress over time. Otherwise Herman Cain might come out and advocate slavery. In this day, I highly doubt that it boils down feminist oppression, but I will put some study into that. Every view of the Conservatives to me always has an abhorring truth to keeping our American people down with little options. The less abortions will most likely lead to poor under prepared families. I believe that is what they want.

[sandyshoes17]

6. It's a wedge issue

I always thought they did it for the votes also. They are mostly the party of the rich and corporations. thats not enough voters for them to win, so they use these issues for the voters. It's a political tactic, and imo, so hypocritical, their actions are of greed, lies, etc. But just bring up abortion and they have them all following them, I cannot understand it. They've held power a few times and have never did anything to change Roe v Wade, they need to keep it as an issue for the votes. I could never understand why those against abortion haven't figured this out yet. Republicans in office are so far from moral Godly people I have ever seen, quite the opposite. But this is just my opinion, I can't figure them out on anything.

[Kath1]

7. You Make Good Points!

I agree 100%. It is a political tactic. I had it beat into my head growing up that abortion is a horrible sin. While in college I met a couple women who had abortions and I realized that these were very nice people who were faced with very difficult situations in life and had to make very difficult choices. I was glad that they were able to make the choices that were right for them in a safe and legal way. I found myself admiring their courage to do what was right for themselves. Who am I, or any religious or political leader, to make that difficult and very personal decision for them? My elderly parents, however, are from a very different era and would follow a "pro-life" politician right off a cliff. When you add up a lifetime of religious brainwashing, Fox news and right-wing radio programs you get people you can't get through to on this issue, although they are otherwise very decent people. We stopped discussing politics and religion years and years ago.

[crumb77]

8. Welcome to

The enlightenment ! And DU

[Kath1]

13. Thanks, crumb77

Glad to be here with everyone. Peace!

[crumb77]

9. Agreed but

To me these days, republicans can fire up any point to gain votes. Ex. Remember the mosque at ground zero. It was built last month, but since fox doesn't care neither do the "real Americans". I believe that the forces that lead the republican party emphasis more on this issue because it guilts people ( not all, but enough) to settle down before their means, have more difficulty receiving college education, give up the promise of financial security, work for nothing to help pay for the unplanned miracle, and if you can convince them it's gods will, there lays a devout Conservative for life. The end clearly justifies the means

Great debate!

[WingDinger]

12. Here's mine. As Oreilly said, White people arent reproducing fast enough.

So, those that would suffer and bring suffering upon their child, will get back alley abortions.

Those with means, will carry to term. Problem solved. Natural selection at it's finest.

As it is, the moral stigmas they thrust, operate the same. But, those damn Catholics are ruining it for everybody{rich white} adn so, we must have an impenetrable wall, and draconian searches for those damn hispanic rabbits.

[iverglas]

14. because they are told to be

Reproductive choice is the single most important thing in a woman's ability to determine the course of her own life.

A woman who is forced to have children she does not want, if her conscience prevents her from relinquishing the child to strangers, will almost certainly have the course of her life altered and it will usually not be for the better.

The educational and employment opportunities open to her will be narrowed. Her socioeconomic status will be lower. Her chances of forming a stable and fulfilling relationship, if she is not already in one, will be greatly reduced, and this will also affect her socioeconomic status. Her child will have less opportunity as a result.

Capitalism depends on workers competing for jobs, to drive down the price of labour. The more workers there are who will, by necessity, accept lousy jobs for lousy pay, the better.

(Of course this is a relatively short-term strategy; the race to the bottom, where everyone is flipping burgers and ringing up cheap crap at the check-out, won't ultimately make anybody money, but the short term is all that matters.)

The more women there are who are available for the lousy jobs with lousy pay -- preferably part-time where they won't even qualify for the limited benefits available to some other workers, women with children often having to work part-time -- the better.

The moral bullshit is just the way to get people -- sometimes genuinely caring people, but often just self-righteous finger-pointing people whose self-image depends on feeling morally superior (as they are encouraged to do, since otherwise they might have to look at how badly they are doing in other respects) -- to vote the way the people who profit from it all want them to.

The same as the whole gun militancy thing, and same-sex marriage, what have you. Get people all riled up about some total non-issue where the right wing can adopt a position that people and parties on the left (or vaguely "liberal") simply cannot adopt, because it is so vile their principles can in no way accommodate it.

The right has no principles, so it can just figure out what stance on an issue it can take that people can be convinced to agree with by trumping up some "moral" reason and outrage against the opposing position.

If universal health care were in the interests of the right wing, don't think for an instant that it would not come up with a way to persuade its base that it was the "moral" path.

There's no point in avoiding the fact that there is nothing "moral" about the anti-choice position or the anti-gun control position or the anti-same-sex marriage position or anything else on which the right wing plays its "values" card.

The only value involved is in the bank accounts of the people and corporations that profit from the votes of the people who buy in to the scam, the profit they make off the backs of the people harmed by those votes.

One might have to make nice with the useful idiots who cast those votes in order to have a chance of getting through to them, but one should never allow one's own thoughts to be perverted by the lying rhetoric of the right wing.

The right wing doesn't care about fetuses any more than it cares about you.

And it's really nice to see so many people getting it!

[Kath1]

15. Yes!

Very well said!