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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:03 PM
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Rick Warren to be main speaker at Ebenezer on King Day
The Rev. Rick Warren will be the featured speaker at the Martin Luther King Jr. Commemorative Service in Atlanta the day before he gives the invocation at President-elect Barack Obama’s inauguration.

The 10 a.m. service at Ebenezer Baptist Church on Jan. 19 is the highlight of nearly more than a week of events to fete Atlanta’s famous son.

Warren, a Southern Baptist, pastors the 20,000-member Saddleback Church in Southern California and wrote the best-selling “The Purpose Driven Life.” During the presidential campaign he hosted a nationally televised talk on values with Obama and his opponent, Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain.

Warren opposes same-sex marriage and abortion rights, and Obama’s decision to have him give the inaugural invocation has drawn criticism from some liberal groups and gay rights activists.

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http://www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/12/23/rick_warren_king_day.html
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:03 PM
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1. Does anyone ever get the idea...
And maybe I'm just paranoid

But does anyone get the idea that there is a deliberate movement to put a wedge in between the Black Community and the GLBT Community?
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:05 PM
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2. Yes, there is
And it is by the Republicans. Obama is cutting his own throat, and killing the Democratic by empowering the anti-gay bigots.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:08 PM
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5. To quote Jim Hightower
It's one thing to lose, its another when you win, and still lose.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:09 PM
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6. Yup. But this isn't new. He pandered to the black homophobic preachers all through the primaries
and they opened the DNC with an event featuring anti choice black preachers in Denver. This does not surprise me at all. I was never able to support this kind of "reaching out". It will not work. You can't make deals with people who think you are less than human.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:21 PM
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20. I agree. nt
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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:05 PM
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3. It's a helluva strange selection
given Obama's issues with gays and Warren at this point.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:06 PM
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4. Why does this shitbag get any face time whatsoever? You kow, at least Phelps has the integrity
and decency to just come right out and tell people what his real platform is.

Warren hides between Jebuz-speak and euphemism, acting moderate and willing to be in dialogue, while maintaining a theological and ethical stance that really isn't any different than Phelps or the KKK.

I think he's insanely dangerous for this country, and the fact that he seems to be getting elevated into "America's Pastor" makes me cringe in fear and anxiety, while also quaking with absolute rage and utter disdain.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:12 PM
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7. Yup, I'd take an honest bigot over a snake oil salesman any day
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:12 PM
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8. And don't forget, he discriminates against you because he is doing it out of "love".
He vows to "educate " you out of love. Gays are evil, women must be subservient, and Jews are going to hell. We must be educated for our own good!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:21 PM
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10. But at thesame time, he's really "for all people" and "for all the world"
:puke:

Fucking self-serving lying shitpile.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:03 PM
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15. Wow, he loves us as much as Torquemada did!
:loveya:




:sarcasm:
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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:14 PM
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9. Why?
Why THIS guy at THIS time?

The people making the selection aren't stupid.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:22 PM
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11. He's "America's Pastor" now!
:puke:
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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:56 PM
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12. Obama gave him more credibility, I fear n/t
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:12 AM
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21. America doesn't need a pastor or any other kind of priest.
We need to think more and believe less.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:20 PM
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19. There is some political wind blowing this is not without meaning.
I guess it's important to let gays know that it's not at all important that we disapprove of Warren at the invocation.
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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:37 AM
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23. It feels like an "in your face" swipe at gays, given recent events.
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 10:37 AM by Truth Teller

It's troubling.

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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:23 AM
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22. Obama's faith based initiatives applauded by the SBC

>>
Of course, as we pointed out last week, both the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family were thrilled with the announcement that Warren was to be part of the Inauguration ... that that list we can also add Richard Land:


Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, applauded Obama for choosing Warren.

"I'm encouraged that President-elect Obama would select Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at his inauguration," Land told Baptist Press. "First, it is a signal that President-elect Obama is going to employ a big-tent philosophy in his administration's approach to people who may disagree with them on some issues, but not others. His selection of Rick Warren indicates that people who disagree with the president-elect on sanctity of life issues are not automatically persona non grata at the White House in an Obama administration. It also indicates that the president-elect is not buying the radical homosexual activists' argument that anyone who opposes them on the gay marriage issue should be ostracized as a bigot."<< -credit: rightwingwatch.org
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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 04:58 PM
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13. Great post on this in LBN
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:01 PM
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14. If Warren had been a preacher in the '60s...
...he would have opposed integration as unnatural and against god's design.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:13 PM
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16. RIP Coretta Scott King. We miss you now more than ever.
Edited on Tue Dec-23-08 05:14 PM by Jamastiene
A Collection of Coretta Scott King Quotes regarding GLBT Rights


Source: Reuters, March 31, 1998.
Coretta Scott King, speaking four days before the 30th anniversary of her husband's assassination, said Tuesday the civil rights leader's memory demanded a strong stand for gay and lesbian rights.

"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice," she said. "But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'" "I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people," she said.



Source: Chicago Defender, April 1, 1998, front page.
Speaking before nearly 600 people at the Palmer House Hilton Hotel,
Coretta Scott King, the wife of the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Tuesday called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias. "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."



Source: Chicago Sun Times, April 1, 1998, p.18.
"We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny . . . I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be," she said, quoting her husband. "I've always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy," King told 600 people at the Palmer House Hilton, days before the 30th anniversary of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination on April 4, 1968. She said the civil rights movement "thrives on unity and inclusion, not division and exclusion." Her husband's struggle parallels that of the gay rights movement, she said.



Source: Chicago Tribune, April 1, 1998, sec.2, p.4.
"For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and human rights for gay and lesbian people," King said at the 25th Anniversary Luncheon for the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund.... "Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement," she said. "Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions." - Chicago Tribune, April 1, 1998, sec.2, p.4.



Source: Coretta Scott King, remarks, Opening Plenary Session, 13th annual Creating Change conference of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Atlanta, Georgia, November 9, 2000.
"We have a lot more work to do in our common struggle against bigotry and discrimination. I say 'common struggle' because I believe very strongly that all forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere. Freedom from discrimination based on sexual orientation is surely a fundamental human right in any great democracy, as much as freedom from racial, religious, gender, or ethnic discrimination."



Source: Reuters, June 8, 2001.
"We have to launch a national campaign against homophobia in the black community," said Coretta Scott King, widow of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., the slain civil rights leader.



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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:18 PM
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18. I keep Mrs. King's words on file - they are beautiful.
this is inexplicable.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 05:17 PM
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17. Lovely.
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