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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 07:07 AM
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Got Nerve?
I had a lucid dream last night. It occurred in a church, which is odd because I don't go to church and I generally dislike religion.

In my dream, a preacher was bitching about homosexuals and an old woman stood up. The preacher kept bitching, and this old woman just kept standing there. When the preacher paused to ask the woman to sit, she said:

I will not sit when someone blasphemes God by using him to justify their own bigotry. Someone else stood up, and then I did as well.

I woke up before I got my ass kicked.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 09:08 AM
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1. If that happened in the real--it would indeed be a RosaParkMoment.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:13 AM
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2. I do agree ... I was hoping for more discussion
and .... possibly some talk of action along these lines. Oh well. It is the holidays, and everyone is busy I suppose.

I only wish I had the balls to do it. Come to think of it, I actually do. Maybe I will one of these days.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 12:12 PM
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3. I think all should stand and denouce ANY and all bigroty--it would
put the transgressor on public display for all to see.
It might be dangerous if all in a church hear the bigot talk the horrible demeaning comments. Yet, my guess is that most will just sit there is silence.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 01:14 PM
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4. You never know how many agree and would stand.
Maybe not the first time, but possibly if it happened a second time. No doubt, it would be the talk of the city for quite some time. Especially if the protestor got physically thrown out by the good members of the congregation.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 07:58 PM
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9. DU has been slow lately anyhow.
I think, in time, the discussion might pick up. I'm one of the night owls here. DU used to be hopping all hours day and night. Now, there is a 3 hour lull at night where hardly anyone is around. It's downright creepy when it happens, because it never happened before.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 04:42 PM
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5. That would be a beautiful thing.
I don't belong to any church and I wouldn't attend a church where anyone said anything negative about minorities, so I couldn't do this. Other people could, though.

I think it's a wonderful idea.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 05:23 PM
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6. Hehehe...
not only can we get away with calling Obama 'religiously bigoted' in some of his remarks, perhaps he is blasphemous as well.

:evilgrin:
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 05:43 AM
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11. The way I understand it, and I am noooo expert ...
Blasphemy is publicly claiming to be "holy" or "Christian" and then not living the way you preach. The problem with Christianity, is that nothing really designates you as being a legitimate Christian. You are one because you claim to be one. Nothing more. There really is not a broadly based lifestyle that accurately describes the majority. They truly are a group of dis-similar objects.

Just like fresh water running through a hose, they taste more like the hose (their own fears and resentments) than the water. I really believe that many simply create God in their own image to justify all the things they don't want to change in their own psyche. Since there are no rules in Christianity, or defining matrix, then eventually, anything goes.

The more radical fundamentalist practices seem more like bigotry, greed, hatred, and violence simply with a halo pasted above it than like any real spiritual discipline that changes the soul. It is the willing addition of the halo to the stubborn human misconception that brews "blashpemy". Bigotry with a halo is blasphemous. At least this is my opinion.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 02:55 PM
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12. That is how I feel Christianity should be....

if it is to follow the true teachings of Christ himself. Excluding people because of their sexual orientation should not be acceptable. Even the Leviticus quote often cited where two men lying down together is considered an "abomination" is a mistranslation from the original language according to one expert, and could be viewed as blasphemous in and of itself.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 04:50 PM
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13. That is an interesting application of the word "blasphemy"
The word derives from Greek and basically means "to injure the reputation of." It is etymologically related to the English word "blame." Theologically, blasphemy is anything which demeans, denigrates, insults or otherwise puts down something held as sacred.

Hypocricy as blasphemy.... Yeah, I can see that case being made. :hi:
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 06:07 PM
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7. I regret not doing that when I had the chance.
I quietly waited til the church bigotry was too much for me and just stopped going. I wish I'd made a public stand.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 07:57 PM
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8. Actually,
I like that idea. It is a peaceful, yet powerful way to protest.

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 11:24 PM
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10. What a great dream
I would never step foot in a church to me, the root of all evil
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 04:53 PM
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14. What if a thousand of us and our allies all attended one of LIttle Ricky's sermons?
We could fill the pews and at a synchronized time, all stand and refuse to sit down until he apologizes to the entire human race for the harm he's done us.

Well, it was just a thought...
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 05:38 AM
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15. what if he started bitching, and people started standing?
standing in silence; refusing to go. It is only assumed that everyone in church agrees with what the preacher says. It is an illusion because only one person does all the talking. A preachers belief does not necessarily equal God's belief, or anyone elses belief in the audience.
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