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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:00 PM
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Proposition 8: Tip of the iceberg
On Friday, Kenneth Starr, the Republican attack dog during the Monica Lewinsky affair, defended Proposition 8 to the Supreme Court of California. Those who voted for Prop 8 decided only heterosexuals could love each other in a legally binding contract – called marriage – that gives shared inheritance, property rights, credit and health care benefits.

I predict that the supporters of Prop 8 will one day be viewed as a backward reactionary force, victims of outdated and unenlightened customs. Civil rights for the gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered community and same-sex marriage is the future. The march for change and a more humane society will not be stopped by the hang-ups of past generations mired in prejudice. Compassion and understanding are destined to win over bigotry and intolerance.

This might be difficult to fathom considering the present predicament in California regarding Prop 8, but I believe liberty will prevail. In support of Prop 8, Starr argued that it was the inalienable right of Californians to change their constitution.

What this really means, and what we can expect Starr not to say, is that he thinks a majority has the inalienable right to oppress a disliked minority. But if we study our history, Starr is clearly wrong. It was a majority of racist Southerners that instituted the Jim Crow laws after the Civil War. The inalienable right of whites to oppress blacks was eventually ruled unconstitutional and unjust.

Prop 8 advocates are the contemporary equivalents of Jim Crow supporters following the Civil War. After a contentious 30-year struggle since the ‘70s, equal rights for people of different sexual orientation were finally achieved in California. Similar to the time preceding the Civil War, prejudice did not disappear after the rules of the game were changed. Instead, the proponents of Prop 8 took advantage of people’s intolerance and put it to a vote. Unsurprisingly, a little more than half of California was still filled with animosity.

More...

http://www.dailyevergreen.com/story/28043

To my brothers and sisters in the GLBT community ~~ I just want you to know that there are a lot of us straights that stand with you and we are willing to fight until everyone has the right to marry the person whom he/she loves.

I had a conversation with a few of my friends as of late. All of us may be straight, but we are Californians and we are offended and ashamed that our usually progressive state would do something that, as stated above, is in the same category as were the Jim Crow Laws.

If the bigots can get the Cal Const Amended, then if the Cal Supremes do not find Prop H8 unConstitutional, then I say we all get together and work to amend the Cal Const so that it clearly allows for a right of marriage for those consenting adults who wish to marry the person whom they love regardless of gender.

WE SHALL OVERCOME....:hug:

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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:22 PM
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1. Hepburn, that's a REALLY great post. So well thought out and said.
Kicking this big time for our GLBT friends and families.
I've about had enough of this hate other people shit.

:pals:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 09:52 AM
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3. Thank you, your compliment is much appreciated.
This gay rights issue is very important to me. It hurts me to see how people I truly love and to whom I am close ~~ just because they are gay, they are treated differently. I just do not understand why sexual orientation is of such great importance to some people that it gives them a reason to H8.

It is just WRONG. It makes me very sad....:cry:

Love is a wonderful, beautiful thing...and to punish those who love? Wrong...very wrong.

JMHO
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 10:33 PM
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2. K & R.
It's the right thing to do and it's time. Let's get it done. This is the 21st century.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 10:21 AM
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6. I just do not understand the interest that straights have in...
...restricting marriage. For protection of the institution of marriage? If those idiots really, really wanted to protect marriage, they would outlaw divorce.

JMHO
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 06:00 PM
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19. Ain't that the truth? Why do they *care*?
How in the @#$% is it hurting anything except their delicate sensibilities?????
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 10:03 AM
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4. K & R
And standing with our GLBT friends.

:grouphug:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 10:18 AM
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5. Same here with me an my friends....
....discrimination is WRONG. PERIOD!

:patriot:
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RetiredTrotskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 10:46 AM
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7. K&R
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 10:58 AM
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8. Thank you for this great well written, thoughtful post
and for your support. :hug:

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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 05:57 PM
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12. Thank you for the compliment and....
...my support will always be there....:hi:

It is unfortunate that I have to get out and support equal right/civil rights for a minority, but it is the VERY right thing to do. Prop H8 is simply just WRONG. I cannot sit back and do nothing while a majority ~~ a slim one at that ~~ takes away the rights of a minority. I cannot fathom why some think it is OK to discriminate.

This has to be made right!
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 12:48 PM
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9. The real iceberg beneath the tip
Is that the GLBT community is just a wedge. If the court rules that a well-funded minority can launch a massive campaign of lies and propaganda to overturn existing rights, then the rights of GLBT are just the beginning.

The Mormons -- aided by their natural enemies the Catholics and evangelicals -- will put aside their theological differences to focus on their political agenda: creating a Taliban-like theocracy in CA, and they hope, in other places.

Every right will be up for grabs -- gay, straight, black, white, Asian -- makes no difference. They will do their best to impose religious law on the state.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 05:59 PM
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13. IMO, the Mormon Church should lose itsTax Exempt status.
Edited on Mon Mar-09-09 05:59 PM by Hepburn
The totally lied about their involvement and they need to get their butts kicked for what they did.

JMHO

edit for typo
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 07:09 PM
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14. Yep. And that's one reason I get so mad when anyone is stepped on. First they came for......nt
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 07:40 PM
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15. Exactly....
...if the majority can vote away the rights of one minority by passing Prop 8H ~~ who is next?

:shrug:
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 08:44 PM
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16. >>who is next?
Oh, probably me.... (Atheist here.) :hi:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 10:58 PM
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17. Ooooooooooh.....
....don't tell the Fundies or the Mormons ~~ they may not let you get married just because of that! :hi:
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 05:59 PM
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18. Too late!
They'd have to fight it out with my husband.... ;)
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 04:55 PM
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10. I enjoyed your company during the Prop 8 hearing last
Thursday. :hug:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 05:54 PM
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11. Thank you! And I enjoyed your company as well!
A :hug: back to you!
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