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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 05:03 PM
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Woman Attacks Wife with Sperm-Filled Turkey Baster...
Edited on Wed Mar-18-09 05:06 PM by Fearless
Jennifer Lighten told police that her wife was “all liquored up” when she allegedly tried to use a syringe to inseminate her, and that Stephanie had been talking about trying to impregnate her for some time. According to the police report “Jennifer said that Stephanie had a ‘turkey baster and her brother’s semen in a sealed container.’ Jennifer said she told Stephanie that she didn’t want to get pregnant.” (According to police the ‘turkey baster’ was actually a large syringe with a catheter tip.)


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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 05:07 PM
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1. She's been charged with posession of an inseminary device
ba-dum-bum
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 05:12 PM
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2. Number one...
My mouth is agape!
Number two...well, number two just stinks!
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 05:17 PM
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3. "...and her brother’s semen in a sealed container."
WTF?? "Hey, bro, could you jerk off into this Tupperware for me?" That is so, so wrong. :)
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 05:44 PM
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4. That is up there with some of the strangest things I've ever heard.
It also sounds like attempted rape.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 06:08 PM
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5. Yes I think you're right.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 08:31 PM
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6. Nice of her brother to help her out like that
Probably would have been a good idea to clear it with her wife first though.

If Stephanie wants a baby so much, maybe she should have it? Does Jennifer have a brother? I mean, Stephanie can't use her own brother's stuff, or she would give birth to a Freeper.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 08:39 PM
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7. I don't think that's a terribly uncommon scenario
A couple I used to know was planning the exact same thing. Well, minus the drinking, non-consent and visit by the cops, of course. But in their case they really both wanted to be related to their offspring, so using a donor related to the one who didn't want to get pregnant made sense for them.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 08:48 PM
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8. It is quite common.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 08:54 PM
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10. That . has never happened to me. nt
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 09:39 PM
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11. I mean that asking a relative to provide the sperm (or egg) for a baby
Is common. (Insofar as "common" is at any rate.)
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 09:52 PM
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12. Oh!
I thought you meant being chased around by a lesbian with a loaded turkey baster!

That is not so common.

Using relatives as sperm donors is something I've heard of. Seems sensible. If all parties are into it. No chasing....... unless all parties are into it.

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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 09:59 PM
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13. LOL.
:D
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 08:51 PM
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9. It makes perfect sense - assuming all parties involved were in on the decision
But the "surprise factor" didn't work too well here.



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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 10:31 PM
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14. She should have distracted her. "Hey! Look! Over there!" n/t
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 08:53 AM
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15. I hope they get some counseling help as a couple
and perhaps the one who was so intoxicated takes a look at how alcohol affects her.

Gays face the same problems as non-gays, relationship problems are universal.

Like the man who was arrested for trying to strangle his wife while wearing an "I heart marriage," tee-shirt.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 09:33 AM
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16. Abusive relationships come in all varieties
Gay, straight, black, white, interracial, etc...
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TEmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:31 AM
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17. Yeah, not a laughing matter. That's attempted rape.
I admit I smiled for about 10 seconds when I heard, but abuse, threats, etc are never ok. Imagine the reactions if a man was doing that to a woman? This shouldn't be taken less seriously because both are women.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:14 PM
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18. "All liquored up"? Alcohol can do a lot of things to you, but...
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 01:34 PM by TheWraith
I don't think lesbian rape with a turkey baster in order to forcibly impregnate your wife with your brother's child is on the list. This sounds to me like that woman SERIOUSLY needs some mental help.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 02:17 AM
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19. her brother's semen?!?!?!?!?!
:yoiks:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:03 AM
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22. I have heard of this before, both partners are then related to the child.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:10 AM
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23. it's all just too incestuous for words... so
:wow: :scared: :popcorn:
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TEmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 11:15 AM
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26. if you've been a victim of incest you wouldn't say that
I was and it's no where near the same.
If it's not for you, then don't do it.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 12:54 PM
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29. perhaps you would like to correct the dictionary....
Edited on Fri Mar-20-09 12:55 PM by xchrom
you can correctly use the word 'incest' to describe part of the relationship between these two women and the brother.

it doesn't bother me if that's what they want to do -- it's fine.

but there is very much a closeness to all of this that makes at least me wonder.
 



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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 12:21 PM
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28. It's not incest at all...
You use Person A's brother's sperm to inseminate Person B. In this way, Person A and Person B are both related to the baby, although Person A is related (technically) as an aunt. Person B is the egg-bearing mother.
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TEmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 11:08 AM
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25. I had friends that did this...
so they could both have a biological connection.
Why is this any more wrong than when a sister decided to carry her sister's fetus as a surrogate. I've heard of twins marrying twins.
It's not like they have to have sex it get the sperm. What's the big deal?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 07:25 AM
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20. I have to say that I DID laugh at the trashiness of all of this
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 08:21 AM
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21. An important bit of information about this scenario
This was discussed some time ago in a thread in GD about the "octomom" who used sperm from a family friend, and whether the friend would have to pay child support. Just in case any lesbian couples think of doing "at home" artificial insemination, which is unfortunately not as uncommon as one might think and not as difficult, there are some serious complications.

The problem is that state laws have been struggling with how to define parenthood with the rise of artificial insemination, surrogate mothering, donated eggs and embryos, and so on.

Generally, the biological parent of any child is that child's parent for most legal purposes. So you might expect a sperm donor to be responsible for child support. But most states have laws that say that if the sperm (or egg or embryo) is transferred through a licensed doctor or sperm bank, the biological father is NOT the father. In other words, certain institutions are able to cancel the legal effect of biological parenthood.

But this means that if you don't go through whatever licensed institution is designated under state law, then the biological father IS the father.

So there have been cases in which lesbian couples got a sperm donation from a friend (in one case, iirc, a gay male friend) and carried at a "turkey baster" at home artificial insemination. Usually the non-biological mother then seeks to adopt the child so she can be co-parent.

But because they did not use the method provided by state law, the turkey baster dad/sperm donor IS the father and can block adoption or even seek custody of the child. So in the case in the OP, if the couple had succeeded, the brother would be the legal father. He could be sued for child support, or conversely if his relationship with his sister deteriorated, he could make life difficult for the lesbian couple.

The take away is don't do artificial insemination at home -- at least not without thorough legal counseling.

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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 09:38 AM
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24. Some info. about AI readily available on the inter net
Since we are discussing AI and the various concerns about it, here is some info. readily available on the inter net:

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/families/a/Insemination.htm

Insemination is when sperm is inserted into a woman's uterus to attempt to create a pregnancy. Artificial insemination is a popular way for lesbians to get pregnant. A woman can use sperm from a known donor or from a sperm bank.
Pros and Cons of Using Sperm Bank

Pros of a Sperm Bank

Sperm banks require donors to waive any parental rights. There is no danger the donor can seek custody or visitation of your child.
Some sperm banks permit the child to access the donor once the child becomes an adult.
Sperm banks test semen for diseases and collect health and genetic information from donors.
Cons of a Sperm Bank

Sperm banks can be expensive and most insurance plans do not cover the cost.
Although you can choose certain characteristics of the donor, you will never meet him, so you can't know his personality.
Sperm banks freeze semen. Frozen semen is not as vigorous as fresh sperm and it may take longer to get pregnant.
Known Sperm Donor

Some women choose to get pregnant using a known donor. This can be a close friend or sometimes a relative of their partner. There are pros and cons to using a known donor.

Pros of using a known Donor

You know who he is: his health, family history, physical and mental health, characteristics and personality.
He might be open to being involved in the child's life.
You don't have to pay for the sperm, although you may have to pay a doctor to inseminate you.
Cons of using a known Donor

The biggest con of using a known donor is that he may sue for visitation or custody of the child.
There is a risk of HIV, AIDS or other sexually transmitted diseases.
If the donor chooses to stay involved in the child's life, issues around parenting can come up.
If you are a lesbian thinking of becoming pregnant via artificial insemination, it is wise to seek out the advice of an attorney.

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http://www.lesbianhealthinfo.org/your_health/parenthood-alt-insemination.htm

Alternative Insemination
by Helen Smith

Getting Pregnant through Alternative Insemination


Alternative insemination (AI) (also known as donor insemination, artificial insemination, and artificial fertilization) refers to a process where donated semen is inserted into a woman’s vagina or uterus for the purposes of conception. People have stopped using the term "artificial" insemination because it reflects a negative meaning, one that sees AI as being unnatural.

The use of alternative insemination has added an option for lesbians to become parents. Other ways lesbians become parents are through adoption, foster care, a heterosexual union, or raising family members. Today, many lesbians find AI to be a quicker and cheaper way to become parents than through adoption or foster care. They also tend to have less legal hassles when they go through AI. In addition, many lesbians want to experience carrying a child to term and giving birth. If you or your partner are thinking about AI you may want to take a few moments to review our advice below:

Alternative Insemination Advice:

1. Fertility Clinics - (List of Fertility Clinics)
Do research on fertility clinics before you choose one. Some clinics and/or doctors refuse to assist lesbians or single women with alternative inseminations. There are recognized clinics however, which support alternative insemination for lesbians and single women. If you are in an area where there is no clinic that will help, you can order sperm via clinics in other areas that will be shipped to you.

3. Type of Donor – Choosing a donor can be a difficult process. There are two types of donors: known and unknown. Known donors agree to have their identity released to the children born from their semen after the children reach a specific age. Most often the age is 18 years old. Known donors can also be someone the AI recipient knows. For example, it could be the brother of her partner. If you choose a donor that you know and become pregnant outside of a clinic, be aware that you may face legal complications regarding custody. If you choose to impregnate without using a clinic, the man has legal rights to the child. If you do it through a clinic, in most cases he gives up all parental rights through the law. However, this varies from state to state, so seek legal advice from an attorney knowledgeable in alternative families prior to getting pregnant. Unknown donors do not agree to have their identification released to the AI recipients or the children born from their semen.

4. Finances – Be aware that the expenses of AI can add up. Most women do not become pregnant after the first or second AI attempt. Depending upon the women, it can take a number of months or a year. In addition, if attempts fail you may add the cost of fertility drugs to the bill. In addition to this, think about your financial security. Create a budget that you feel will fit the needs of you, your partner (if you have one), and your child.


5. Stress - You may find the insemination process stressful. It often takes several tries before a woman becomes pregnant. Each month you must monitor your ovulation, which may change due to stress about conceiving. Sometimes women become worried about their capability to become pregnant, and stress about that. These pressures may cause women to become irritable and may impact your relationships.

6. Health Insurance – If you have insurance you should review your plan. Learn if it covers AI, fertility drugs, and hospital visits. Also learn what is covered and the policy costs to have your child added to your or your partners’ insurance.

7. Time - You may wish to create a time management plan. You may have to go the clinic for multiple AI visits, or you may have to arrange for the sperm to be shipped to you on certain dates.

8. Family reactions - Some families are supportive, others are not. For instance, some families who may have rejected their relative’s lesbian identity will put tensions aside for the sake of the baby. Other families will reject both the mother(s) and the child(ren). If you find your family reacting negatively to your situation you may want to refer them to an organization called PFLAG (Parents, Friends and Families of Lesbians and Gays).


9. Non-biological Parent - In reference to lesbians who became parents via alternative insemination, a non-biological parent is often the partner of the birth-mother. The non-biological parent will not have legal rights to the child unless she goes through second-parent adoption or a step-parent adoption which is only legal in some states. Some people may not consider her a “real parent” because she has no blood-connection to the child. Because of these reasons she may not feel as connected to the child, or may feel like an outsider within the family. To help the non-biological mother (the co-parent) feel better, it is essential that the birth mother recognize these factors and give her support. It is not uncommon for the non-biological mother to feel left out when the biological mother is breast-feeding. There are some reports of non-biological mothers being able to induce breast-milk, and also participate in breast-feeding the baby. However, most lesbian couples do not choose this option, due to the hormone supplementation required as well as the time it takes to use the electric breast pump to get the milk started in the non-biological mother. Some lesbian couples choose “co-maternity” in which the egg from one woman is mixed with the donor sperm, and the embryo is then placed in the uterus of the other woman. In this way, both women share in the pregnancy: one woman carries it, and the other woman has contributed the genetic material. However, this option is fairly costly.

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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-20-09 12:18 PM
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27. Thanks!
For so much more research than I was willing to do.

:)
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 12:22 AM
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30. ...
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