Trivia question

[Tab]

Since gay marriage has traditionally been illegal, have there been any famous cases of two same-sex partners applying for marriage, and getting married, with one dressed up as the opposite sex? The only case I can think of is that of jazz musician Billy Lee Tipton (born Dorothy Louise Tipton), where she started posing as a man to be allowed to play with jazz bands (women couldn't or didn't), but apparently was forced to carry the deception all the way through. It's thought that some of her/his marriages occurred without the spouse knowing, so in my mind it doesn't really count, although it's an interesting story.

Are there a number of marriages between same-sex couples that were initiated by both intentially making officiants believe they were opposite sex couples (forgetting reassignments)? If so, were they uncovered (maybe, discovered is a better word)? I'd think that even if it required waiting for the partner to die and be autopsied it would be shown as false at some time, and then there's be tax consequences to pay, if nothing else.

I don't know exactly how you'd pull it off, but it seems to me that someone must have tried it somewhere.

[Midlodemocrat]

1. Hey, Tab. Check your PM.

[Huskerchub]

2. Interesting question

however, I'm sure highly illegal }( . Someone I'm sure would end up in jail. As far as transgender marriage, iirc there are states that will not allow a ts person to marry even after surgery, because of "biological" sex at birth. This is totally from memory of a story on DU from several years ago about a couple in KS as I recall. Anyone remember this? or am I dreaming something up again LOL.

[XOEnterprises]

4. I would imagine that, in the cases of transpeople, it depends.

Some states will not change birth certificates, driver's licenses, etc. of a post-op transperson, and so if they were to marry someone of the opposite sex (as in, my boyfriend, a transman, marrying me) they would be denied because of that.

For example, to use my boyfriend: he can get a new birth certificate after his surgeries because that's legal in N. Carolina (where he was born), but won't be able to get a new driver's license until he moves up to Washington to be with me because S. Carolina, his current residence, won't honor name/sex change requests.

And yes, willfully pretending to be another sex just to get married WOULD be a crime, just as claiming to be single and marrying another person while still legally married to another is illegal. But I think if a transperson wanted to, they could very easily have standing when it comes to marriage/birth certificate discrepancies in the United States.

[mitchtv]

7. I remember a case in KS where the TS was widowed

and the state took away the right to inherit not too long ago. Is this the one ?

[sam sarrha]

3. they cant lynch Blacks and Jews anymore.. they always gotta shit on someone..

[Tab]

5. I don't doubt it would be illegal, I was just wondering how prevalent it was

And, as I said, I wanted to leave reassignments (meaning, gender reassignments) out of the question, because that's a very different situation.

Just curious if anyone had a gender-neutral name (like, "Kris") and ever tried this. I'm sure someone did, and not exactly sure how you'd get caught, unless the IRS compared your reported SSN to the one on the original application or on record.

[Rhythm]

6. Easier than that to 'get caught', since most if not all states require

either a state-issued ID card (which would list gender) or a certified copy of your birth certificate, which would also list gender.