Petition Calls For Banning Mormon Marriage

[FreeState]

Turnabout is fair play, isn't it? After the Mormon Church threw its weight behind the campaign to pass Proposition 8 in California, people have started taking a very close look at the Latter-Day Saints and their role in politics. Shortly after Prop 8 passed, protests outside of certain Mormon temples in Los Angeles caused them to bar their gates, which meant that there was no risk of demonstrators getting in—but neither could Mormon couples who wanted to get married themselves. In the Mormon faith, a temple marriages are very important; it means that not only are you sealed together for this lifetime, but for the eternal lifetime that follows.

The Universal Free Church, which has but a single commandment, "At age 18 every UFC member has a libertarian right and duty to freely do whatever they want when alone or in private assembly with other consenting adult UFC members," has a whole new take on the whole marriage issue which has been so very contentious lately. They want to ban Mormon marriage, in the interests of—what else?—protecting the children. Specifically, to protect the children from being indoctrinated into "religious fascism," the UFC has started a petition for a constitutional amendment that would legalize gay marriage and outlaw Mormon marriage, because, as the petition's own words say:

Mormon marriage is a threat to children because Mormons have bizarre and delusional beliefs such as magic underwear, and that the biblical Garden of Eden actually existed somewhere in Missouri! If not stopped from marriage, Mormons will continue to have children and indoctrinate them with such bizarre and delusional beliefs....

Mormon marriage is also a threat to children because Mormons believe in illegally using tens of millions of their tax-exempt dollars and the secular political process to force their religious beliefs on everyone else. Thereby violating tax laws and the "establishment clause" of the First Amendment. If not stopped from marriage, Mormons will continue to have children and indoctrinate them with their subversive and un-American beliefs in tax fraud and religious fascism.

http://carnalnation.com/content/4829/10/petition-calls-banning-mormon-marriage

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Personally, I am against the Mormon practice of baptising dead non-Mormons

I know for a fact that certain members of that church troll genealogical sites for names and then take them to the church and do the proxy baptisms. Sometimes they goof up and baptize living non-Mormons as well. This happened to my mother, who was QUITE upset. The culprit could not be tracked down and the LDS church disavowed knowing anything about it. But ever since I've been suspicious of using any Mormon material in my genealogical research.

Don't know if this will help your cause, but it could be used as evidence of invasion of other people's privacy.

[tbyg52]

3. Isn't that horrible.

Someone said something like "There are two kinds of people - those who want to control others and those who don't." I must have the wording a little wrong, as I haven't been able to turn it up on Google.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. and it's all about control, isn't it? n/t

[customerserviceguy]

11. Do they fling it in people's faces?

Baptizing dead people seems weird, but as an atheist, any religious practice is ultimately fruitless in my eyes. How is it really that much different than someone praying for the soul of a dead person of another faith?

[bluedawg12]

12. It seems to offend the families of the deceased who are of different faith.

It seems intrusive of other people's families and disrespectful of other faiths.

[customerserviceguy]

13. Then the best thing to do is ignore it

Or are they really worried that the soul of a dead person is going to switch faiths in the hereafter?

It's just reverse religious bigotry to me. Constantly looking up my dead ancestors on Mormon registries would show I have a pretty big religion problem myself.

[bluedawg12]

14. The best thing to do is respect other people's faith.

[tbyg52]

23. Or lack thereof.

:hi:

Actually, I don't feel I have a "lack" - I feel I have a belief in reason and the better part of human nature.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

18. It does imply that Mormons feel their belief system is the only good one

and so everyone, even the dead, must comply. The reason I brought it up originally was to emphasize this mindset--because it extends to the living--namely gay and lesbian people's right to marriage. The Mormon Church will use its considerable influence to make sure this doesn't happen because it is against their rules and they want everyone to obey their ways and no others.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. Well, for one thing,

they publish private information about people who are still living on public genealogy boards. This is considered a breach of privacy and etiquette in genealogical circles, and was what upset my mother so.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

26. Well, it was a pretty big deal when they publicly set out to baptize holocaust victims

Praying for the soul of a dead person of another faith is entirely different. If a Catholic is praying for a dead holocaust victim, they're not trying to convert them in the hereafter.

[ZombieHorde]

2. Funny. nt

[medeak]

5. pray tell how this got rec's?

as find it just as hateful as mormons against the gays

[Hepburn]

6. I rec'd it cuz....

...they decided they wanted into the "marriage" biz, let 'em into the biz...ALL THE WAY!!!

:hi:

[nichomachus]

7. Me 2

I'm willing to live and let live, but if you throw stones at me, I'm going to pick them up and throw them right back at you.

[FreeState]

8. Did you read the link? The part were it says:

"The petition is absurd of course, but that's the point. Just as the theories of "Intelligent Design" should be taken as seriously as those of the Pastafarians, the only difference between the petition above and the Mormon Church's theories of flames and moral horror cascading upon us if homos get married is that for some reason, people can reach lofty and respected positions by advocating the latter. In a sane world, they'd be treated like that guy who stands on the street corner"

[xchrom]

9. i gave it the 8th rec. nt

[medeak]

10. almost forwarded to gay friends

but having second thought found it unhelpful... life comes down to: Is this helpful? or not? Don't see how this tactic will help at all

[bluedawg12]

16. No it's not anything as hateful as funding Prop8.

And it was a joke, but by some of the responses, it seems that just the idea of taking marriage away is considered upsetting to some. Imagine how it feels in real life?

[sui generis]

19. Defending yourself is not "hateful". Kumbaya just does not work.

And they view the court wrangling and bill wrangling as "spurious" and a "non-issue", not as hateful.

So can we.

[Deep13]

21. What the LDS church does IS hateful.

So I don't think anyone can be blamed for hating it. All this is is an ironic attenpt to give them a taste of their own medicine. If gays can be prevented from marrying for no reason, why should the same exact standard not be applied to Mormons? And the stated reasons for the petition are factually accurate, unlike the lies told by religious activists about homosexuals.

[TechBear_Seattle]

15. I'd sign it. n/t

[sui generis]

20. where do I sign? do I have to go to another state on a bus like they did?

cool. I'll buy a ticket for that.

[Danascot]

22. I'm certain I could make a strong argument

that Mormon marriage is more harmful to society, the environment, etc than Gay marriage.

(1. Mormon marriage results in Mormon kids ...)

[TEmperorHasNoClothes]

24. no that's prejudicial-- why fight prejudice with more prejudice

We need to take the higher ground and not single out an entire group for discrimination.

[indigo32]

25. I should prolly have an issue

with an eye for an eye kinda thing, but I'm human and in a pissy mood about this subject, so .... However, I would also have a serious question, about how helpful to the end I'm trying to reach, this really is.