Eliminationism in America

[bluedawg12]

http://atheism.about.com/b/2003/12/08/more-eliminationism.htm
Eliminationism, often playing a key role in fascist ideology, is the attitude that those who disagree with you on some fundamental issue are not simply wrong-headed but, rather, an enemy which needs to be "eliminated" somehow. Elimination might be achieved physically through death, it might be achieved symbolically through extreme punishment - and sometimes silencing enemies through the threat of death or punishment is enough. The point is not to convince you or to make a better argument; rather, the point is simply to eliminate either you or your viewpoint.
Sadly, eliminationism is on the rise in America - and almost exclusively among those who count themselves as being to the right of political center. You would be hard-pressed to find a liberal writing about how all conservatives are traitors and suggesting that they lined up and shot - but you will find such comments written by far-right conservatives.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/02/eliminationism-in-america-x.html
-- Gays and lesbians: Homosexuality has for many centuries been buried under a blanket of cultural stigma, some of it religious and some of it purely visceral, despite the considerable cultural and civic contributions of a number of closeted gays and lesbians over those same centuries. Those same prejudices endure today, but the increasing willingness of homosexuals to come out of the closet and live openly, beginning in the 1970s, naturally created a significant cultural rift with those conservatives who adhered to the old taboos. It was particularly sharpened by the emergence on the scene of the AIDS epidemic, which produced such eliminationist schemes as Paul Cameron's proposal to quarantine gays, an idea that still has some currency on the right. More significantly, gays and lesbians have in those same years increasingly become the target of hate crimes, probably the chief manifestation of the eliminationist impulse in America today.

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This is how propaganda is supposed to work: Circulate ideas on the popular level first, perhaps disguised as "humor" or "edgy commentary," until they become part of a broadly popular "conventional wisdom." Seemingly "outrageous" ideas gradually gain broader acceptance, leveraging the populace toward the movement's agenda. Then, when these notions are enunciated at the official and most powerful levels of government, any outrage that might be voiced is easily ignored.

But observe what happens: The objectification of the targets, the denial of their humanity, is consummated in these jokes. Their very humor, indeed, is predicated on that denial. And so the conception of these targets as mere objects, disposable and ripe for elimination, is lodged in the audience's mind. It propels eliminationism into the mainstream, and gives permission to the demonic.

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The disingenuousness of right-wing demagogues regarding the effects of their rhetoric is outdone only by their mendacity. The estrangement of movement conservatives from any semblance of truthfulness has been often and well documented in recent years, ranging from the tumescent falsehoods peddled by Limbaugh, Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Fox News, and the rest of the right-wing crowd, to the up-is-down Bizarro Universe perpetrated on the public by Michelle Malkin in defending the internment of Japanese Americans and claiming that liberals are responsible for the degraded state of our national discourse.

Eliminationism, both in rhetoric and in action, is in fact predicated on a sandcastle foundation of lies and distortions, and it always has been.

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This is the case because eliminationism itself is predicated on the greatest of all lies: the denial of our common humanity, what Buber called "the divine" in our relation to the world and to each other.

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Confronting the legacy of eliminationism is necessary for our well-being as a nation because its course through our past has directly shaped our present. Its thread runs directly through the critical fault lines -- racial, ethnic, religious, sexual, and cultural -- that continue to divide the nation today. Healing those fault lines take work.

Doing so, utlimately, entails overcoming the Lie -- not simply standing up to the outrageous falsehoods and the cold inhumanity its purveyors spew, but creating a culture in which engaging our common humannness informs our choices, our behavior, our beliefs, our politics.
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http://www.commonplacebook.com/current_events/politics/eliminationist.shtm

What, really, is eliminationism?

It's a fairly self-explanatory term: it describes a kind of politics and culture that shuns dialogue and the democratic exchange of ideas for the pursuit of outright elimination of the opposing side, either through complete suppression, exile and ejection, or extermination.

Eliminationist Quotes from Conservative Voices

Source: Eliminationism in America: Appendix

"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus -- living fossils -- so we will never forget what these people stood for." -- Rush Limbaugh

"I would have no problem with being sent to the gas chamber." -- Melanie Morgan

""he day will come when unpleasant things are going to happen to a bunch of stupid liberals and it's going to be very amusing to watch." -- Lee Rogers

"And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead." -- Bill O'Reilly

"Howard Dean should be arrested and hung for treason or put in a hole until the end of the Iraq war!"-- Michael Reagan

"Let's start with the following New York Times reporters and editors: Arthur "Pinch" Sulzberger Jr. , Bill Keller, Eric Lichtblau, and James Risen. Do you have an idea where they live? Go hunt them down and do America a favor. Get their photo, street address, where their kids go to school, anything you can dig up, and send it to the link above. This is your chance to be famous -- grab for the golden ring." -- "The Political Insight"

Ann Coulter
"Some liberals have become even too crazy for Texas to execute, which is a damn shame. They're always saying -- we're oppressed, we're oppressed so let's do it. Let's oppress them." -- Ann Coulter

"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. ... That's just a joke, for you in the media." -- Ann Coulter

LINDA VESTER (host): You say you'd rather not talk to liberals at all?

COULTER: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too."

"They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant. Fifty years of treason hasn't slowed them down."

"I have to say I'm all for public flogging."

"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."

"In this recurring nightmare of a presidency, we have a national debate about whether he 'did it,' even though all sentient people know he did. Otherwise there would be debates only about whether to impeach or assassinate."

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So Coulter and others essentially put out a fatwah and the extremists go to work. And the liberal media is destroying the country ? Sometimes, I cannot believe that I'm living in the same country I was born in.

Cordelia | July 28, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply
An interesting commentary on how those with the largest microphones view democracy.

Wil | July 30, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply
“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.” -- Harry S Truman, August 8, 1950, 33rd president of US (1884 - 1972)

[bluedawg12]

1. Eliminationism at work in America and Abroad.

From just one week on DU - GLBT and the first page only.

Drag performer found dead in Fayetteville
GLBT
FreeState (Wed Apr-15-09 08:40 PM
Drag performer found dead in Fayetteville
http://www.q-notes.com/2009/04/14/drag-performer-is-pos... /

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qb (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-15-09 08:41 PM

The gay fundie teen who lives next to my cousin was found out.
(His dad kept tabs on his e-mail account)
His parents are sending him somewhere to be "re-programmed"
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=126257&mesg_id=126257

FreeState (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-14-09 06:26 AM
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An openly gay state lawmaker received a death threat
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090413/NEWS/... /

An openly gay state lawmaker received a death threat Monday, according to public safety of
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-16-09 01:27 PM
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When Words Can Kill: 'That's So Gay'
Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover was 11-- hardly old enough to know his sexuality and yet distraught enough to hang himself last week after school bullies repeatedly called him "gay."

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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-14-09 01:43 PM
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Iraqi leaders attacked over spate of homophobic murders
Iraqi leaders attacked over spate of homophobic murders

Dozens of young men and boys killed by death squads in Baghdad

By Nigel Morris, Deputy Political Editor

Iraqi leaders are accused of turning a blind eye to a spate of murders of homosexuals after 25 young men and boys were killed in recent weeks.

Gay groups claim the Iraqi government is giving tacit support to the death squads targeting young homosexuals who venture outdoors.

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FreeState (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-09-09 06:18 PM
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2 gay men brutally beaten in Oakland Park near Fort Lauderdale
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2009/04/...

The Broward Sheriff's Office continues to investigate the brutal beatings of two gay men in Oakland Park earlier this week.

David Villanova Jr., 27, and Craig Cohen, 47, were beaten in separate attacks early Monday morning by the same group of men, according to BSO spokeswoman Dani Moschella.

Cohen, of Oakland Park, at right, remains unconscious at Broward General Medical Center. Villanova Jr., of Pompano Beach, suffered a skull fracture but was awake Wednesday afternoon and speaking with detectives.

Moschella said detectives are treating the two attacks as robberies, but have not ruled out the possibility that the beatings were hate crimes.
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[bluedawg12]

5. "I want a pony." = "I want a cup cake." Glen Beck seeps in.

I keep hearing about this f8ckwad, but don't watch him.

But, I find it fascinating that rightwing ideas seep in to left wing-ish rhetoric.

The Democracts are self defeating ( they wish! :eyes:) I keep hearing about the "circular firing squad," from Democrats!!! Internalized rightwing dialogue, rehashed and reproduced for consuption among fellow Democrats.

Har. Har. :sarcasm:

Or complaints and heated debates about PC. It's cool to say, "That's so gay," that harms no teens. :sarcasm:

The thing is to protect our ever so creative freedom of expression (of slurs) without cultural constraints
( no, I did not say legal, I said cultural).

That anti- PC stance seems to be a Glenn Beck refrain:

"Political Correctness doesn't change us, it shuts us up."-Beck
Insider Video: Episode 2 on November 13, 2006

Or the oft repeated, so verrrry thought inspiring, discussion stirring, "I want a pony!"

Another Beck core value: "The world is so complicated... I'M TIRED, I WANNA CUPCAKE!" -Beck

That's the point from David Neiwert and How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right at Orcinus blog. Not only does it leak into the minds of right wingers, it also stains progressive thought.

"Neiwert makes an alarming case for the fact that the rhetoric that leads up to violent crimes against whole classes of individuals is a necessary ingredient to the carrying out of the penultimate acts, that without the vicious cheerleading, many of the acts would not be carried out because, he says, "such rhetoric has played a critical role in giving permission for it to proceed, by creating the cultural and psychological conditions that enable the subsequent violence." At the bottom of such rhetoric is a savagely anti-democratic, American-hating ethos too, despite the flag-cocooning in which the shouters participate."


- http://www.amazon.com/Eliminationists-Hate-Radicalized-American-Right/dp/0981576982/orcinus-20/


Beck The Latest Right Wing Mouth To Seek Fame and Dishonor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Beck

On November 16, 2006 Jon Stewart of The Daily Show criticized Beck's recent remarks during an interview with Keith Ellison, the then newly elected Minnesota representative and first Muslim ever elected to U.S. Congress. During the interview, Beck stated, "I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way." Stewart responded to Beck's statements with "Finally, a guy who says what people who aren't thinking are thinking."<4> David Segal of The Washington Post described the Ellison interview as "surely most embarrassing moment" and a "stink bomb." He then speculated on Beck's popularity: "Maybe an attention-deficit host is exactly what an attention-deficit public wants. Listen to a few of Beck's shows and what strikes you most is the enormous ratio of words to substance — how Beck can monologue for minutes at a time and leave behind almost nothing except the impression of great vehemence."<5>

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The 912 Project
The 912 Project is a campaign that was announced by Beck on March 13, 2009. It is named for nine principles and twelve values, articulated by Beck, that he claims embody the spirit of the American people on the day after the September 11 attacks.<20> His twelve values are honesty, reverence, hope, thrift, humility, charity, sincerity, moderation, hard work, courage, personal responsibility, and gratitude.<21>

His nine principles are: America Is Good; I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life; I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday; the family is sacred; if you break the law you pay the penalty; I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results; I work hard for what I have and I will share it with whom I want to; it is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion; the government works for me—I do not answer to them, they answer to me.<22>

Beck Spew-ations: (can't call this trash "quotes" as it would be an insult to quotes everywhere.)

"Can you let your son's body become the same temperature as your son's head before you turn this into a political campaign against the president? Could you do that?"
The Glenn Beck Program, May 14, 2004
Comment on Michael Berg, the father of murdered (be-headed) American businessman Nicholas Berg


I find this guy despicable. Everything in me says that. The want to be a better person today than I was yesterday says he's a dad, he's grieving, but I don't buy that. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. I think he is grieving, but I think he's a scumbag as well. I don't like this guy at all." <1><2>
The Glenn Beck Program, May 14, 2004


Would you kill someone for that?...I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore...I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it,...No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, 'Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore,' and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, 'Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death.' And you know, well, I'm not sure." <1>
The Glenn Beck Program, May 17, 2005
Posed question: What would people do for $50 million dollars?


Political Correctness doesn't change us, it shuts us up.
Insider Video: Episode 2 on November 13, 2006

"You pinhead. You think we would actually be sitting here and saying "well, look at the way she was dressed?" If she were Joan McCain, stop it. You self-centered self-righteous socialist out of control dangerous man-hating bitch. Shut your mouth. We might have bought into this crap in the 1960s because too many people were doing LSD. We're not on LSD anymore -- we need to start making sense."
The Glenn Beck Program, March 3, 2008

In response to feminist Gloria Steinem's opinions on the John McCain/"Joan" McCain accusation.
"The most used phrase in my administration if I were to be President would be "What the hell you mean we're out of missiles?"
The Glenn Beck Program, January 12 2009

"Hey, does anybody notice this crazy thing that we’re on the road to socialism? I’m just saying. Wow. We got — we got the SCHIPs thing going for us. That’s great. There is the change that we were all hoping for, really, seriously. Hey, I got an idea. If we’re going down the road to socialism, I mean, why not really go for it, huh? Comrades, good news from the western front, our glorious revolution is starting to take hold. Oh, the revolution of change. Our fearless leader has just signed in SCHIPs, and earlier today, he spoke out against capitalism. Listen up."
In response on Fox News to the S-CHIPS bill signed by President Obama on February 4, 2009


"The world is so complicated... I'M TIRED, I WANNA CUPCAKE!" - Glenn Beck


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[YoungAndOutraged]

2. Most of those qoutes are death threats

If a famous liberal said those things, they'd be in prison.

[bluedawg12]

3. True. They pawn it off as humor, lame humor, but it seeps in.

Our culture picks up there ideas and after a while it just "seems" normal and people pick up the main ideas.

We heard it all through the last eight years, "Hollywood elite," "Gay mafia," "Liberal elite," so much that the word "liberal" became a ditry word.

The most common person in the most remote place saying things that are homophobic, or slurs, all started from the mouths of radio jocks or rw pundits.

This stuff is cultural poison.

[bluedawg12]

4. They're paranoid and dangerous. Isn't Beck doing a lot of this?

http://www.amazon.com/Eliminationists-Hate-Radicalized-American-Right/dp/0981576982/orcinus-20/

"As Neiwert shows, this country since the 1990s has been undergoing what he terms para-fascist tendencies going mainstream as those once on the fringes have begun infecting one of the two major political parties and co-opting conservatism, making of it the paranoiac, reactionary--and, most frighteningly--increasingly violent crew we now hear regularly on Fox News and on talk radio."

[Vanje]

6. kick n t

[bluedawg12]

7. Is eliminationism the reason we can't get rid of DADT?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=126723&mesg_id=127071

[NMMNG]

8. The RRRW will only get more rabid and desperate

as they see their position of power and privilege slipping through their fingers. They're very dangerous right now.

[bluedawg12]

9. Their language is alarming and a few of the more extreme ones

are being prodded with this type of language of hate and violence.

They are working themselves into a fine lather across the nation on raio and even on prime time TV.

[bluedawg12]

10. Added today.*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=127164&mesg_id=127164

*Iraqi militias gluing anuses of gay men and inducing diarrhea to cause death
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Drag performer found dead in Fayetteville
GLBT
FreeState (Wed Apr-15-09 08:40 PM
Drag performer found dead in Fayetteville
http://www.q-notes.com/2009/04/14/drag-performer-is-pos ... /

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qb (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-15-09 08:41 PM

The gay fundie teen who lives next to my cousin was found out.
(His dad kept tabs on his e-mail account)
His parents are sending him somewhere to be "re-programmed"
......................
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

FreeState (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-14-09 06:26 AM
Original message
An openly gay state lawmaker received a death threat
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090413/NEWS /... /

An openly gay state lawmaker received a death threat Monday, according to public safety of
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-16-09 01:27 PM
Original message
When Words Can Kill: 'That's So Gay'
Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover was 11-- hardly old enough to know his sexuality and yet distraught enough to hang himself last week after school bullies repeatedly called him "gay."

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-14-09 01:43 PM
Original message
Iraqi leaders attacked over spate of homophobic murders
Iraqi leaders attacked over spate of homophobic murders

Dozens of young men and boys killed by death squads in Baghdad

By Nigel Morris, Deputy Political Editor

Iraqi leaders are accused of turning a blind eye to a spate of murders of homosexuals after 25 young men and boys were killed in recent weeks.

Gay groups claim the Iraqi government is giving tacit support to the death squads targeting young homosexuals who venture outdoors.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

FreeState (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-09-09 06:18 PM
Original message
2 gay men brutally beaten in Oakland Park near Fort Lauderdale
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2009/04 /...

The Broward Sheriff's Office continues to investigate the brutal beatings of two gay men in Oakland Park earlier this week.

David Villanova Jr., 27, and Craig Cohen, 47, were beaten in separate attacks early Monday morning by the same group of men, according to BSO spokeswoman Dani Moschella.

Cohen, of Oakland Park, at right, remains unconscious at Broward General Medical Center. Villanova Jr., of Pompano Beach, suffered a skull fracture but was awake Wednesday afternoon and speaking with detectives.

Moschella said detectives are treating the two attacks as robberies, but have not ruled out the possibility that the beatings were hate crimes.