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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:23 PM
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Take the "straight pill"?
Suppose there will a pill to turn you straight?

Would you take it? Not me.

Sounds like a really stupid question, but here is a guy who thinks otherwise:

From YNet News (Israel)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3219924,00.html

Shas Chairman Eli Yishai apparently refuses to acknowledge the fact that homosexuality is not perceived as an incurable disease in modern Israel. In an interview aired on the Knesset Channel Wednesday evening, Yishai made his stance clear by saying that "homosexuals and lesbians are sick people."

-- snip ---

Later, when asked is as health minister he would work to extend the medicine basket and introduce a special drug for "treating homosexuality," Yishai insisted that "I sincerely hope that they are cured of this thing. A medication for homosexuality has not been invented yet, but I hope it is found."

Yishai has no doubts that a "medication" for the "serious illness" will be a huge hit.

"If there were such a medication, believe me, they would gladly take it. If there was a pill to cure them, they would all go and take it. If it had a medication, they would prefer to fix it, one by one, and take the drug," he concluded.

-- snip ---

Leibovitch, who serves as head of the gay lobby in the Knesset, said Yishai and his associates "are a malignant tumor that jeopardizes the Israeli society. They feed on hatred to those who are different and wish to transform Israel into a third-world state."


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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:25 PM
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1. hatred and ignorance are amazing things
can't think of much else to say.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:25 PM
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2. i dont want to give up my right to play with boobies
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 04:26 PM by lionesspriyanka
so there! no pill taking.

on edit: really a statement this bigoted doesnt deserve a serious response
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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:41 PM
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9. *ahem*
Even as a completely gay man, I must admit that I love snuggling with some of my gay female friends. Boobies can feel very nice! I learned this when helping my deliciously full figured friend Donna with a bra fitting.
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wilsonkitty Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 02:17 AM
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26. Re: boobies
Wow. That's gay.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:26 PM
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3. Yeah, and unfortunately we've got a malignant tumor of our own
It just happens to be in charge.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:27 PM
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4. Pure kafka...
How about a "hate" pill? If we could cure the world of hate, we'd have NO problems.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:27 PM
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5. this assumes being gay needs to be "fixed"
which I disagree with, even though I'm straight. Have worked alongside many gay and lesbians and a great deal of their problems in life seemed to be related to feeling they had to hide who they were. taking a pill seems like suicide, then, to me.
Its killing what you are.

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:30 PM
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6. What's amazing is this guy is Jewish...
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 04:31 PM by MadMaddie
Of all of the communities to speak of hatred of Gays..when gays were rounded up with the Jews and sent to the concentration camps.

It's like Condi and Clarence Thomas claiming that if a pill were available for blacks to take to turn white they would because being white is normal.

These people have skeletons in their closets and I believe that's why they are so hateful!!

And nope I wouldn't take a pill either. I love myself for who I am!!
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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:35 PM
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7. This may sound strange to some people...
....but if there's such a thing as reincarnation I want to come back as a gay male. For all the pain and social stigma I've suffered, it's who I am and I wouldn't want to be any other way.
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ToolTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:37 PM
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8. If such a pill is developed, let us hope it changes gender preference.
From Str8 to Gay, or from Gay to Str8.

Then for sure it would be Earth's least popular drug.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:44 PM
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11. hah - the new date straight drug?
however you read that.

:evilgrin:

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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:46 PM
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12. But it would probably be an underground hit.
I can imagine a lot of people wanting to experiment with it.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:43 PM
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10. Tiny little issue
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 04:51 PM by sui generis
I paint, I love art, I love figurative art especially. Poetry, prose, sculpture; abstracts of human experience.

I know from a hetero++/bi friend of mine that while he enjoys it, he perceives "sex" with a guy as just an extension of masturbation, he feels poetry in women, is absorbed by women, does not actively look at men.

I know exactly how he feels. When I look at an interesting woman, I often see beauty and poetry too and I can feel great fondness and care for a woman, even imagine being deeply attracted to that in other circumstances, but I am not obsessed with it. My first relationship was a mixed five-way for a year - sex itself is not the issue. We all have bodies that respond to touch and pleasure (more or less) and psyches that respond to trust and intimacy.

When I look at a beautiful man though (not always classic "beauty") I don't merely see poetry and beauty, I want to create it, touch it, capture it, explore it, experience it, portray it. It's a mystery, it's an untold story, it's way more than just sex.

If most of us feel this way about what we're attracted to, what on earth would a pill like that do?

That little pill - I think it would kill the me that is I.

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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 05:25 PM
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14. "I think it would kill the me that is I." Exactly.
The question is basically asking, "Would you choose to cease to exist, would you choose to never have existed at all?"

:grr:
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BeeBee Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:04 PM
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23. Very well put.
"I think it would kill the me that is I." Being gay is such and integral part of who I am that I can't imagine not being gay. And what of my partner of 15 years? Would I suddenly fall out of love and leave him? No way. I don't want any part of it.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:51 PM
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13. NO, I would not take it.
I would entertain the idea of taking a pill if it would simply introduce some semblance of heterosexual attraction (which is largely, if not entirely missing from me), but not if it would impact my homosexual nature in any way.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 05:47 PM
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15. No
No way. It would be like suicide.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 06:33 PM
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16. At some times in my life I would have
but certainly not now.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:45 PM
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17. I'd rather die.
I'd rather die, because to take such a pill WOULD be the death of me. I don't think straight people realize how much their sexual orientation effects their lives, it literally shapes who you are and who you become.

Would I take a pill to allow me to be Bi-sexual (equally attracted to both sexes)... I don't know... maybe. If I could switch back at any time, I'd probably test it out. However, I'd NEVER, EVER want to be completely straight. Ever.

It's like asking a black person to take a pill to become white. It screws you up. Look what happened to Michael Jackson. :P
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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:05 PM
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18. If being gay is an illness ...
... then let's all call in queer to work tomorrow.

(Can't remember who said the line, but it's always been one of my favorites when someone starts that "homosexuals are sick" bullshit.)
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RedXIII Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:13 AM
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19. People like that scare me..
because purity brought stuff like Hitler and Stalin.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:25 AM
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20. Heck no!
Homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness, but was removed from the DSM in 1976. Apparently this bigoted jerk is now trying to claim it is a somatic illness that can be treated with medication. What .

I'm here, , I'm not taking anything to make it go away!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 07:57 AM
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21. this just goes to show that you can be fuckin loony tunes
and still get a good job.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:17 AM
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22. I'd never, ever, take a pill that could turn me straight.
And this Eli Yishai is an idiot. There is nothing...no pills, no electo-shock treatments, no therapy, nothing...that can alter a person's sexual orientation. Zero, zip, zilch.
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:56 PM
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24. Unfortunately there may be in the future...
...if they can isolate the genes that cause sexuality, and figure out the difference between gay and straight people, they may try and introduce some type of "therapy" that would genetically make gay people straight.

It's kinda like giving someone who has been blind all their life the ability to see. It seems like a good thing, it even seems like a generous thing to do, but... is it really? I forget the movie's name and the actors in it, but I remember watching a movie one time about giving a blind man the ability to see. It wasn't as good of a thing as most people would have suspected.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:13 PM
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29. it's more complicated than that anyway
sexuality and love is not purely genetic as anyone who has ever masturbated can tell you. It's not a huge stretch to think of someone else essentially doing the same thing as you do for yourself, with some interesting variations.

More than that, if you really fall in love with someone, the idea of giving or sharing pleasure and intimacy is not just a sexual thing. If you completely remove that by some miracle of genetics we will turn into something not much different than the worst stereotypes of nasty tempered territorial Klingons; something we spent millions of years NOT evolving into.

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jackpan1260 Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 07:57 PM
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25. Hell no. eom
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 09:37 AM
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27. Couldn't pay me enough...
...to become straight.

The best part of my life is my partner, and I'm not losing that no matter what societal penalties are thrown at me.

I like who I am, I like being gay, and I can't imagine what of me would be left if I changed that much.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 04:45 PM
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28. But what if you were already straight and took a straight pill
thinking that...well, if you were already straight...it would make you even MORE manly or womanly and even MORE good at being straight...

Then the hets would be using the pill as an excuse for their sexual assaults...."but your honor, I took one of these straight pills and became double-straight. . .and just needed an outlet for my god-given golden peepee."

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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:57 PM
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30. Absolutely not
That would be like completely changing who I am. Would any of us take a pill if it could make us obediently tow the repug line? I think not!
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gator_in_Ontario Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 09:18 PM
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31. I think
there are much more serious things to worry about. Why are they so obsessed with us?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:02 AM
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32. Because we are their hate cause du-jour
Fundies are not happy unless they have somebody/something to hate and try to eliminate from society one way or another. Abortion is one of their pet causes, but it's been around for so long that although it still whips them up into a frenzy they needed a new cause for the current Administration. Along came us. Granted, we were always in their sights, but never to the extent that we have been since Dumbya and his crew set their sights on the White House.
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