Here's a thought to make RW heads explode.

[Sapphocrat]

If homosexuality can be cured, then it is an aberration of a temporary state.

Thus, all homosexuals are by nature heterosexual.

Thus, 100% of all pedophiles are heterosexual.

(Don't pick apart the flawed logic; the fun begins after you get Mr. or Ms. Bigot to agree with the first statement.)

[Syrinx]

1. I'm not even a RWinger

But you made my head 'splode. :D

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. Why bother with item 2?

It's not needed.

If pedophiles are by nature heterosexual because God surely made them that way, then all pedophiles are heterosexual.

The intermediate step has nothing at all to do with pedophilia, so why include it?

[Sapphocrat]

3. You're right.

Take it out of context of the Foley debacle, and you're absolutely right.

I'll remember your re-wording the next time a "gay serial killer" headline comes up, too. Very helpful!

[JimDandy]

4. Stop posting these kind of false correlations.

I know what you meant to say, because I live in a real "Church/State" state in which the dominate religion actually believes in a cure for homosexuality.

That said, because your post doesn't break down what percent of known pedophiles have been homosexual vs heterosexual, the implication is that 100% of them were homosexuals! This post is too flawed simply due to that.

[Sapphocrat]

9. That isn't the point.

See post #6 ("The whole point of the argument is to tie bigots up inside their own logic").

Anything more complex (e.g., quoting statistics) is useless when befuddling bigots who think in very simple, back and white terms.

You can't change their minds, but you can make their brains misfire.

[intaglio]

5. It's like the old canard about Englishmen and Americans

on average an Englishman has 2 testicles, an American only 1.

As Sapphocrat observes the fun is getting people to accept the original premise. Thank you S, in another context someone once wrote "few they are, but roses" keep up the good work

/edit typo

[TheMadMonk]

6. By Jove he's got it!

Indeed, the purpose is not to utilise flawed logic to advance an agenda. As is the (one of many) underhanded methodology of the neo-cons and too which many of you seem to be objecting.

The whole point of the argument is to tie bigots up inside their own logic.

Unfortunately it's too easily spoked. Paedophilia is aknowledged as a sickness too. And it can be easily argued that being aflicted with homosexuality increases sussceptibility to paedophilia. Wrong on multiple levels, but a lie that is easily swallowed by a credulous base, ready to believe the worst of those who are already "perverts" in their minds.

[Sapphocrat]

8. Good to know that more than two people get it.

The whole point of the argument is to tie bigots up inside their own logic.

Bingo!

[JimDandy]

10. As I said I "got it" the first time around.

Who cares, though, about the amount of fun you're getting messing with a RW mind, if it simply reinforces the RW's belief that pedophilia is a 100% homosexual problem.

What about THAT don't YOU get?

Fix the dang logic flow or dump it.

[Sapphocrat]

12. Since you understand the point...

...how would YOU fix the logic flow?

As my father always said, don't tell me something won't work unless you can come up with a better idea/something that will.

So rather than throw the whole idea out, how would you change it?

It has to be short and simple enough for a knuckledragger to digest, so no statistics, and no long explanations.

[JimDandy]

14. I AM thinking about how to fix it.

It's an appealing idea. Don't have an answer just yet...

[JimDandy]

15. It would go something like this:

Pedophiles, as a group, consist of both heterosexuals and homosexuals.
If homosexuality is an aberration, but it can be cured, then it's a temporary state.
Thus, all homosexuals are by nature heterosexual.
Therefore 100% of all pedophiles are heterosexual.

[Sapphocrat]

17. Not bad, not bad.

Gonna think on this some more... but I didn't want you to think I'd forgotten you. :)

[zbdent]

7. It was Foley's choice

to go after underage boys ...

[LeftCoast]

11. I like!

Unfortunately, most of these folks have been trained to think based on faith rather than logic so I doubt you'll change any minds. Might work in a Left vs. Right talking head debate though.

:hi:

[Sapphocrat]

13. I think Cronus' re-working would help with the "faith" part...

But... "change minds"? Oh, heavens no! I no longer even dream of changing reptilian minds. I just like having an arsenal of tactics that stop the Reptilicans dead in their tracks. I want to see smoke come out of their ears. :D

[LeftCoast]

16. I got a chuckle out of that image!

:D