Well, I've finally said it

[WillParkinson]

Why I won't support either candidate in this election.

Mr. or Ms. Mod, please note I am not calling out any DU'er. I'm merely pointing out the thread that explains my reasons.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4478024#4478045

On edit: Wrong sub-thread. Sorry.

[meegbear]

1. This editorial sums it up nicely ...

http://www.baywindows.com/index.php?ch=columnists&sc=editorial&sc2=&sc3=&id=54312

[WillParkinson]

2. It does indeed

Thank you.

[midnight]

3. I hope when all this primary jousting is finished we can re-group,

and elect a Democratic President. But we cannot let our newly elected president think he/she has just won the lottery or a mandate. We need to work diligently to ensure our Constitution is restored, and respected,and not another coproate executive.

[sellitman]

4. I am not a one issue voter

I understand your gripe but your methode is lacking.

Staying home is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The Democrats have always taken your cause for granted but the Repiggies have made your misery part of their platform.

The choice is clear.

[WillParkinson]

5. So...

I should just suck it up and vote for the Democrats because...what? They won't risk their precious White House bid because of gays and I'm sorry, I'm just tired of being a stepping stone.

Will I hold my nose once again and vote for the Democrats? Remains to be seen. But I feel dirty for voting for someone who honestly doesn't seem to care about me. Just my vote.

[MuseRider]

7. No you should not.

You have been sucking hind tit from day one from all parties. This is not an "agenda" it is your life and until people actually try to put themselves in your position they will never get it. When truth and justice and equality make it difficult to get elected it is time to step up and stand up. Who says the Dems will be better for you? Historically, yes kinda but never what they should be. They often throw little bones before they toss you under the bus. It is constitutional for you to have equality. Not a difficult thing to understand.

My lines are choice and equality. I will not move over them. I have to be bipartisan here with the work I do and it is often hard, but in my state if you find a Republican who is for equality you go with it unless there is someone on the Democratic side with a better record. I have learned to have no problem with that.

I have said much of the same here, I will not support someone who is not for full equality. Too bad the only person who was is "unelectable". I hope not to get TS'ed over this because I truly would miss so many of you but the time has come to make a stand and I, like you, stand for what is constitutionally yours.

[sellitman]

8. I don't blame you for feeling that way.

I wish this country would stop making its GLBT citizens feel like they don't belong and are not important. The prejudice you live with is insufferable. That being said the Democratic plank while not supportive isn't one of open hostility like the Republican one. Hold your nose and vote Democratic. As soon as that unsavory task is accomplished ...work with the rest of the party to move us all to a day when you are able to have the same rights as everyone else.

[WillParkinson]

12. No.

I've been voting Democrat since I was 18. What changes have there really been on a federal level?

DOMA?
DADT?

Democrats cave. Constantly. Because it's easier to toss the gays to the crowd than stand up for what they claim they believe.

No, I won't be voting in the presidential election this year. At least I won't vote for Mr. Obama or Ms. Clinton. Will it be a wasted vote? I guess, to some here, it will be. To me? It's the only form of protest that I've got.

[Warpy]

6. None of us is a one issue voter

but there are lines out there that we as individuals will not cross.

I won't cross the choice line. It would be like crossing the abolitionist line in the 1850s. I just can't do it. It's wrong. I was around when antiabortion laws were in force. I saw what they did to friends.

If a candidate speaks out against gay rights, I know he's likely to be against other civil rights, especially for women. I will be far less likely to support him and he won't get a dime of campaign money out of me, but I'll grudgingly vote for him if he's the nominee and the alternative is GOP. I know my GLBT acquaintances will do better under any Dem administration than under any GOP administration, although it would probably be a close call. At least the Dems generally don't drive the economy into the toilet.

However, that doesn't apply to choice. I just can't cross that line. I fully understand why my GLBT colleagues on this board can't cross the line over their own civil rights and I support them in that position.

The only vote we control is our own.

[littlebit]

9. I completely understand how you feel.

Some days I feel like I am just deciding on lesser of two evils. I want to believe that one of them will support us. But my biggest fear is we will be thrown under the bus again like we were under the last Clinton administration. I am hoping this time it will be different but I don't know.

[nealmhughes]

10. My friend, a professor at a small university in the SE US is an expert on disfranchisement.

Two and three years I edited this dissetation of his as well as his MS now at LSU Press that treated the topic at the turn of the last century. I read a ton of newspaper reports from 1890 up to the Wilson Presidency about the various tactics: literacy tests, the "grandfather clause," etc. that were used throughout the country, not just in the South, to keep Blacks in their "place," even though Theodore Roosevelt kept giving lip service to "equality" and the African-American population kept voting Republican, and only got more lynchings when they dared to register in the South, and a few token postmasterships out of their support for T.R.
His public dining with Booker T. Washington destroyed him as a politician with the Democratic Party and the "Lily White" Republicans siding against him, as he was an "honorary" southerner, the son of a Georgia mother.
Washington kept keeping his cards close to his vest re: Supreme Court challenges, which he secretly helped finance, but in public he was continually saying "Don't make waves, the time will come. . ."
I find this oddly more than coincidental when we view today's GLBT soi-disant "leadership" and their acceptance of a token chair or two, as long as the money and the votes keep coming to the Democratic Party. The Republicans are obviously the Bourbon Democrats and Lily Whites, while the Democrats of today yesteryear's Progressive Repubicans in my analogy.
Gravel and Kucinich, both idealogues, were the only two candidates not afraid of "Realpolitik" when the primaries drew near.
Yes, it is a rather sordid mess we face in the booth re: GLBT rights and overall Zeitgeist, but the choice is clear: we shall be given more postmasterships for a small bone to be tossed to we dogs beneath the table, and that is all; but it is better than "Hang'em High Tribulationist Rapturists" Republicans. Not much, and morally hardly a difference, but at least there can be hope for "toleration with little hope for actual improvement, but at least no steps backward."
I am not very hopeful at the moment as long as candidates keep on being obsessed with Slot A or B and Tab C and various private manipulations among consenting adults merely because the "media" tells them that it is a concern and a candidacy killer.

[queerart]

11. Thank The Gods That You Feel The Way You Do.....

This treatment has gone on for way too long......


... and Democrats somehow just feel that they deserve the Queer vote, AND MONEY on the premise that they are part of the Democratic party.......


There is room for another Political Party....


Can you imagine if the Democrats pissed all over N.O.W. year after year?


Or the N.A.A.C.P.?


Or The Autistic Self-Advocacy Network


Or the Disabled American Veterans


Or the United Cerebral Palsy


Or.... I could go on for a few days......


Am I am sick to fucking death of straights deciding for me how great my life really is.... and that I don't need, nor deserve the same rights they have.....


They sure want Queer money for taxes, roads, schools, pay for political campaigns, ect.....


When they can use you.... Queer Money magically turns green again..... and only reverts back to Fag Pink when they have finished with you........


Just like Dean's little schtick on the 700 club concerning marriage..... Marriage isn't for Fags Ya Know (But we don't mean you guys)


Not many Queers will make a stand..... they are afraid of being labeled a "Militant Fag".... But I am proud of you my friend....