The Obama people don't need us, or the Clinton supporters, or ANYONE.

[Tyler Durden]

They can do it all alone, according to them.

I, on the other hand, remember the debacle of 1972:



and I REMEMBER the "...we don't NEED them!" rhetoric.

Mark my words: the lost opportunity of this election will overshadow the foul legacy of Bush when history writes the story.

[bowens43]

1. That's ridiclous

the Obama people have never said that they don't need you or Clinton supporters or anyone else. Quite the opposite is true and Obama has said this on many occasions..

You mean the lost opportunity of a McCain presidency? That's what we will have if Hillary gets the nomination.

[Tyler Durden]

3. I'm sorry, but no.

Go here if you doubt me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4696018

They are not interested in anything short of UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER AND DEVOTION. And the Hillary comment is scaremongering.

It is likely he will win the nod. It has nothing to do with what he has said: his supporters, his handlers, HIS WIFE need to cool it and get ready to extend the olive branch. If they keep up the way things are, McCain will win.

[Buzz Clik]

12. I see. You start a thread by pitching handfuls of shit in the faces of Obama supporters, ...

... and you're oh so amazed at the negative reaction.

:eyes:

[Jim Sagle]

22. He spoke pure truth. You need to GET it. Period.

[maddiejoan]

4. Obama has never said he doesn't need me.

He has SHOWN me he doesn't need me.

[Tyler Durden]

6. EXACTLY.

That's why I believe, truly, McCain will win.

I told my wife the same thing about Bush in 2000, right about this time. I HATE being right.

[maddiejoan]

8. Obama lost my vote.

I'm a die-hard liberal 47 year old jewish transexual queer from NEW YORK CITY.

and he LOST my vote?

Does nobody get that this is not a good sign?

Democrats should be incapable of losing my vote.

[Fearless]

16. You do not speak for everyone so please don't presume to do so.

[maddiejoan]

19. Please show me where I did that?

Because it's quite obvious I WAS only speaking about myself.

[Fearless]

24. Here...

"I'm a die-hard liberal 47 year old jewish transexual queer from NEW YORK CITY.

and he LOST my vote?

{Does nobody get that this is not a good sign?}"


You make it sound like you are talking for everyone, which you are clearly not. Why isn't it a good sign because one person doesn't want to vote for him? It's utterly irrevelent.

[maddiejoan]

28. you're reaching

no where is it even remotely possible to get that from what I said.

[Not Me]

29. I share her opinion as well

I still wait for Obama to apologize for the McClurkin snub. Not explain, but apologize, as in "I was wrong, I am sorry, it will not happen again."

[Occulus]

30. I'd be three

I was Undecided/Obama after Edwards dropped out. Now I'm simply "undecided", and I'll probably remain that way until I step into the booth, where it's just me and my... er... lever.

[Tyler Durden]

33. Make that FOUR.

Without Equal Treatment Under The Law, nothing else matters.

[Tyo]

68. Make that five

If anyone should understand that separate is not equal it should be Obama. But neither he nor his supporters get it. Obama wins the nomination, I don't vote. Effing tired of having our rights relegated to the back of the bus year after year, election after election. What Obama is telling me is that he'd rather have the homophobic Fundy ex-gay vote than mine and that ours WILL be a dream deferred. So if he doesn't need me, that's cool. No flaming please. I'm only taking him at his word.

[TankLV]

72. That's it in a nutshell - he made his choice - now we make ours...

if they lose they will have only THEMSELVES to blame, not us...

[TankLV]

71. Same here - same here - still waiting, btw...

and THEY still don't get it...

[Chovexani]

20. A picture's worth a thousand words

Time to start planning my escape to Canada. :(

[queerart]

15. McCain's Views & Voting Record On Gay Issues

Here is McCain's views & voting record on Gay (and other) issues:

http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm

_____________________________________________

Views

# Don't ask, don't tell is working; don't tamper with it. (Jun 2007)
# Confederate flag on top of capitol was wrong; in front is ok. (May 2007)
# Leave gay marriage to the states. (Jan 2007)
# John Lewis was as courageous as anyone could ever hope to be. (Apr 2004)
# Fear did not restrain Dr. King to resist repression. (Apr 2004)
# Support evangelism but don’t pander to evangelical leaders. (Feb 2000)
# Inter-racial dating ban is idiotic and cruel. (Feb 2000)
# Career-long history of supporting Indian causes. (Jan 2000)
# Ten Commandments would bring virtue to our schools. (Jan 2000)
# Confederate flag is a “symbol of heritage”. (Jan 2000)
# Allow, but not mandate, school prayer. (Jan 2000)
# Would be “comfortable” with a gay president. (Dec 1999)
# Flying Confederate flag should be left to states. (Sep 1999)
# 1st Amend. not a shield for hate groups. (Aug 1999)
# Indian gambling OK; lottery is not. (Aug 1999)
# Hollywood should voluntarily self-censor sex and violence. (Jul 1999)
# Supports Amendment against flag-burning. (Apr 1999)
# We don’t need laws against Spanish language & culture. (Mar 1999)
# Affirmative action OK for specific programs, but no quotas. (Jul 1998)


_________________________________________________________________________

Voting Record

# Ban on same-sex marriage is unRepublican; leave it to states. (Nov 2006)
# Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
# Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
# Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
# Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
# Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
# Voted YES on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
# Voted NO on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
# Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
# Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
# Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
# Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
# Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
# Require 90 day delay for compliance before ADA lawsuits. (May 2002)
# Limit interstate class-action lawsuits to federal courts . (May 2002)
# Rated 0% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
# Rated 33% by the HRC, indicating a mixed record on gay rights. (Dec 2006)
# Rated 7% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)




Both Barack and McCain voted Voted "NO" on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)


(You mean the lost opportunity of a McCain presidency? That's what we will have if Hillary gets the nomination.)


Hummmm...... and you forgot to mention that if Hillary does get the nomination......


The Easter Bunny will be run over by a road grater, Santa will get a tit caught in a wringer, Cupid will be grounded by high cholesterol, every Gay man in the country will be struck by a raging case of "Weeping Blue Ball", and every Gay woman in America will have an incredibly case of an "Itchy Yeast Infection".......


WOW...... what other plagues will uncooperative Fags bring upon the good citizens of America..... I'm sure everyone wonders if the Queers of America realize their "Sense Of Duty" to vote for Obama......


The only one that seems scared that McCain is going to get in...... is the Obama supporters........ I have no ax to grind against Obama, no matter what you think.... But you Obamaites need to come up with a new approach other than if you don't vote for Obama you are going to have to cut off your leg...... then BBQ, and eat it because McCain won't allow Queers to shop at the grocery stores with decent people if he wins the Presidency....


The Fear Mongering got old about 3 months ago..... and with habituation, Queers hardly even notice you folks using it..... so it's not working........


Now Run Along And Tell 4th Graders With Braces On Their Teeth That They Won't Get Pregnant If They Close Their Eyes During Sex, And That They Will Get Large Burning Sores On Their Naughty Parts If Their Parents Even Think Of Voting For Hillary Clinton.....

[mitchtv]

2. I too remember '72

gonna be tough without Democrats. Already my hispanic in laws are saying they're gonna stay home . I will wait to hear from Bill or Hill. My original choice was Edwards. I chose Clinton after hearing their opinions on nuclear power. Barak's was the most pro nuke of the three, and that's a deal breaker. His McClurkin episode only proves that he will dump us if necessary ( before the convention)and that was before all the wins, now we can expect a big middle finger. This candidacy seems to be a fill in the blank ( What you are hoping for) I hope we don't get more nukes.

[Tyler Durden]

5. Unless we see Hillary Clinton on an Obama ad in September...

..Urging support for him, or similar efforts brought on by Obama Campaign building bridges, then we will see President McCain.

[mitchtv]

7. fat fuckin chance

:rant:

[Fearless]

17. I agree.

Obama does not equal McGovern.

[Creideiki]

10. I hope they don't stay home

After all, there are other races. I've got a great Senatorial candidate to support. My House representative is solidly progressive. I'll be working with state-level candidates to ensure they understand that they matter, too.

But I may leave the presidential ballot blank.

[Joshua N]

40. I can't believe

that after all the hell we've been through over the last eight years that you all are actually thinking about sitting out the general election?

Didn't you vote for Bill Clinton? He did not do the GLBTQ community any favors, but now you are going to sit out on someone who wants to get rid of "don't ask don't tell" and supports civil unions for gay couples?


I agree that Obama is not perfect - it would be nice if he supported gay marriage. At the same time, I know that at one point I was a "McClurkin" - it took me time to understand that being gay is natural and right. Maybe I am wrong, but I am heterosexual, and most people who are heterosexual had to learn this lesson. They were not raised being taught that homosexuality was acceptable. I think it is great that Obama can stand firm in his belief that these homophobes are wrong and tell them to their face, but they still respect Obama enough to support him. If they listen to him then they could begin to understand his point.

Unfortunately, most black Christians (which is most black people in America) think the way McClurkin does. It hurts to think that the most inspirational gospel music I listen to (Fred Hammond and Kirk Franklin) which connects me with the spirit of God is sung by people who probably still think homosexuality is a sin. To me, homophobia is the sin, and I as a pastor am devoting my life to help the black church exorcise its homophobic demons and bring my gay brothers and sisters out of the shadows who currently live a lie within our OWN CHURCHES, being subjected to self hatred! It is really ridiculous and sad that this occurs... but that is another story. The point is that I know I want to redeem these people and win them over to support the GLBTQ community, but if I cut them off that is not going to happen. I could attend a church where everybody thought the way I did but that would do no good. These people include my mother, my father and brothers - my own family still holds these sinful views against homosexuality, but I would not cut them off any more than I would expect you to cut off a member of your family for being racist against black people. I think that is the point of Obama's message. He is including independents and Republicans who don't think like us yet, but can in time. At the end of the day, I think this was King's point. He didn't view people as static characters who could not change, who must be cut out of the body because of their incorrect views. He (and this is a principle belief of nonviolence) believed that "We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies." It is not too late to transform them. I am glad that no one gave up on me.

I am young, so I have not personally seen all the democratic candidates the party has given us. However, this has been the best bunch I have ever seen. Kucinich was my first choice, then Obama, then Edwards, though honestly I think Senator Clinton could have a better presidency than her husband. I would have been happy with any four of these, to varying degrees. None of them are perfect, but to say that you will not vote for Obama in the GE? Please find it in your heart to forgive him for putting McClurkin on tour, and understand his attempt at inclusivity even if you understandably disagree with his approach.

[okasha]

52. Why should our rights

wait on your bigots' redemption?

Do you think equal rights for African-Americans should have waited until white racists were "transformed" and "redeemed?"

[Tyo]

78. Word. Thank you.

Why is it so hard for the Obamazombies to get their idealistic little heads around this simple fact?

[Chovexani]

69. You're completely clueless.

He didn't use McClurkin to "reach out" to homophobes in some kind of pollyanna attempt to bring people together. He specifically used him to gain votes, and his campaign was quoted as saying that they "got what we needed out of it".

As a pastor you should know that repentance has to come before forgiveness. Obama and his cultists have shown NONE with regards to our community. In fact they have made it clear they don't want our votes because they are not needed, homophobes outnumber us.

[TankLV]

73. Bill Cliinton was the BEST friend us gays EVER HAD in the White House or out of it...

that's for DAMN sure...

go peddle your clinton hate someplace else...

[Tyler Durden]

9. AND IT JUST KEEPS FUCKING GETTING WORSE!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4693428&mesg_id=4693428

[Buzz Clik]

11. Nice call, Durden.

Care to give us a quote where a known Obama supporter has declared that "we don't need them"?

[NMMNG]

26. Happy to oblige

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4700563&mesg_id=4701010


slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-21-08 03:00 PM
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19. That's ok!

There's millions of independents and disgruntled republicans to make up for you!



Happy now?

[Tyler Durden]

35. Here's another one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4696018&mesg_id=4712367
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-22-08 10:25 AM
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216. Frankly? At this point? We may not need you in the General Election,

Go pout in the corner.
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And this one just assumes we'll all sign up because we have no other choice:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4696018&mesg_id=4712552
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-22-08 10:41 AM
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219. Take two steps forward, and genuflect.

Speak politely of Her Majesty, or she will endorse McCain. Or her courtiers will jump ship to the Republican Party. Or something.

Jesus Christ. Honey does catch more flies than vinegar, but I don't see either side as the villain here. We're simply witnessing a hotly-contested race, with neither faction able to score the most points against the other. Hillarites, heal thyself.

I will be interested to see which candidate first tries to be the adult, and to build a coalition--but who is honestly worried about Clinton supporters voting Republican rather than for Obama, or vice-versa?
John
Sergeant John's 3-D Chiller House of Terror!
Shakespearean Daily Diss

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Hey Buffy who are you responding too? Whoever, they're on my IGNORE and I'm feeling lazy.

[NMMNG]

47. Oh my, aren't they some nice ones?

:eyes:

It's interesting how they vacillate between "Fuck off and die if you don't want to join the O-train, we don't need you anyway" and "How dare you think of not voting the Dem ticket even if it violates your ethical principals you fucking selfish traitor!?!"



And I was responding to Buzz Clik

[Tyler Durden]

55. What I don't get....

...is how the man inspires this fanaticism. I haven't heard one single solitary word that makes ME want to jump up and down screaming his name. Not much from Hillary either, but the same fanaticism isn't there.

[NMMNG]

57. I don't understand it either

But then maybe it's because I'm not the hero-worshiper/ starstruck/religious type. I just don't have it in me. So therefore I wouldn't see what in him inspires the rabid fanaticism that others have shown.

[Tyo]

80. The Anointed One made that quite clear...

when he did his little outreach and dog-and-pony shows with the the homophobic theocrats in the hope of bringing the Christian gay-haters on board. He also made it quite clear that his Christian faith precludes his supporting marriage equality for gays unless, of course, the Almighty informs him that his thinking on this is in error. I'm not holding my breath.

But hey, just cuz he'd never accept separate but equal for African Americans but he thinks it's just fine for us is no reason why we shouldn't join the rest of the Obamazombies in throwing our votes at his feet, right? Sorry. As far as Barack is concerned there is one dream that it is just fine to defer. That would be our dream. Screw him.

Oh, by the way, I don't think Hillary is measurably better so it's not like I'm out beating the drum for her nomination either.

[Buzz Clik]

13. Recommendation #4. Here's a kick for the dumbest fucking thread of the day.

[derzauberberg]

14. Huh?

I'm not sure I understand the implication of the OP? Is he stating Obama is not asking for the gay vote? If so, then that is incorrect. Obama consistently is welcoming the gay community in his stump speech. However, curiously enough, Hillary Clinton -- whose husband enacted Defense of Marriage Act & Don't Ask, Don't Tell -- never mentions gays on the campaign trail in her stump speeches. Frankly, I see little difference between the positions of Hillary and Barack. The difference, however, is that as First Lady Hillary's husband has a demonstrated record of enacting homophobic laws (i.e., DOMA & DADT). Moreover, Hillary repeatedly has promised us the passage of ENDA & hate crimes legislation in the Senate. Where is it? As Melissa Etheridge fears, Hillary Clinton only will throw the GLBT community under the bus as her husband Bill Clinton did to us. Barack may turn out to be no better than Hillary on our issues, but we already know that Hillary is no good for us. That's why Barack Obama has my vote, and I'm giving him a chance: he can't be any worse to us than Hill & Bill were during their eight years in the White House.

[Fearless]

18. I'd like to point out however...

That Obama has mentioned gays in his past few post-primary speeches. If that matters sooo much to all of you. Apparently you all don't understand that if he were to come out strongly in favor of gay rights, publically, then THAT not what you all've been saying would keep him from getting elected. Sometimes we forget that the other half of the country still exists and that we need to keep them demotivated from voting not strongly encouraged in every church across RedState America.

NTF.

[canis_lupus]

51. Sounds like the LGBT community is set up to take the blame ...

in case the Democratic nominee isn't elected.

"Apparently you all don't understand that if he were to come out strongly in favor of gay rights, publically, then THAT not what you all've been saying would keep him from getting elected."

I guess we're so horrorific that the mere mention of us will bring out hordes of rabid, foaming at the mouth Repugnantcans to put their party in the White House. Didn't we see that in 2004 with the whole marriage issue? There were plenty of people right here on DU who put the blame for that right on our doorstep. So according to them, we are supposed to settle for an occasional scrap off the table and not whine because our "rights" are woefully fewer than their's.

Sorry, but I not getting tossed under the bus again like Clinton did to us for anyone - or any party. Whoever gets the party nomination had better be prepared to do a lot of bridge building with the LGBT community. And that bridge needs to be built out of something more substantial than empty words. Until that time I cannot bring myself to support either Obama or Clinton. Period.

[NMMNG]

67. We always take the blame when the Dem isn't elected

Or haven't you been following politics for the past few decades. :shrug:

Pure clusterfuck, that's all it is.

[mitchtv]

27. First, Hillary is not Bill

secondly DADT was an improvement on previous conditions
Doma was a veto proof majority, even the Dems signed on. He decided to chose his battles. While i agree HRC is no better than BO on the issue. He has already proven himself ready willing and able to toss us under the bus for political expediency. And that's before the convention. It certainy knocked some of the glitter off his halo.

[Tyler Durden]

36. I am pointing out that Obama Supporters, here and the real world....

...Think he can do it all on his lonesome, with no support from the supporters of other candidates, so they feel free to piss all over them.

I suggested that if they feel they've won, why don't they start trying to heal the schism, to which I have largely been told to go fuck myself.

[NMMNG]

50. Yet another one who knows nothing

Read up on DADT/DOMA. They weren't enacted as punitive measures but by a president who had his hands tied by a Republican-controlled congress led by Newt Gingrich and military leaders that flat-out refused to allow full integration. He had no choice in the matter. Enacting DOMA prevented a FMA-style federal ban on same-sex marriage. DADT was a crappy compromise but if Clinton didn't sign it it would have become a law, not simply an act. He did what he had to do under the circumstances and he did pretty well, actually.


Moreover, Hillary repeatedly has promised us the passage of ENDA & hate crimes legislation in the Senate.


Do you think she runs the damn Congress by herself? Are you able to read? ENDA was passed, but without TG protections. It's now sitting around probably waiting for Chimpy to veto it. HRC had nothing to do with the dropping of TG protections from that.

And as for the hate crimes bill not passing, HRC certainly had nothing to do with that. You can thank the Republicans--you know, the ones St. Obama wants to sing Kumbaya with--for that. They don't want the RRRW to lose its "right" to bash gays to death in the name of their "deeply held religious beliefs".

So go ahead and vote for Barack Obama. I'm sure he's going to do a hell of a lot for LGBTs. Not.

[derzauberberg]

62. More Dysfunctional Clinton Spin?

To argue that the Clintons enacted DOMA and DADT in order to protect the gay & lesbian community is about as reprehensible as saying that your boyfriend beats you because he loves you.

Bill Clinton was President, right? Isn't it the job of the President to lead based upon the certainty of his moral convictions? The fact is that Bill Clinton was a limp noodle who caved to the social conservatives on DOMA and DADT, and he did not want to waste any political capital on us gays, and so he threw us under the bus. And where was Hillary during these eight years condemning his actions for this homophobic legislation?

If Hillary could not get hate crimes and ENDA through the Senate, which she repeatedly promised us, then she has evidenced that she is too ineffectual to become President.

Although I am voting for Barack Obama, I am under no illusion that he will be any better for us than Hillary; however, at least he does not have a record like the Clintons of having actually implemented homophobic and discriminatory legislation in the form of DADT and DOMA.

Hillary's promises to repeal either DOMA or DADT? She is the first to admit that words and speeches have no meaning, and given her track record that is one position with which I agree with her.

The Clintons have duped the Democrat party for decades with their anti-union Nafta policies, their homophobic legislation, and their anti-civil rights criminal justice policies which have resulted in how many monority kids thrown to rot in jail for selling de minimis amounts of drugs on the street corners while their "friends of Bill" got Presidential pardons. The Clintons are Republicans in Democrat clothing, and I say good riddance to them as we vote them out of the party once and for all.

[NMMNG]

66. Bring me some facts and I might reply to you

Until then piss off.

[Name removed]

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[TankLV]

74. DADT?!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW A FUCKING THING ABOUT DADT!

DADT WAS THE REPUKE'S CONCESSION AFTER BILL INITIATED A COMPLETE REMOVAL OF THE BAN ON GAYS SERVING OPENLY IN THE MILITARY!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TRYING TO SPEW!!!

SAME WITH DOMA...

GO BACK AND LEARN YOUR FUCKING HISTORY!!!

[TechBear_Seattle]

77. Go back and learn how your f-ing government works

Congress passed DATD; Clinton signed it into law rather than veto it. Congress passed DOMA; Clinton signed it into law rather than veto it. Congress MIGHT have been able to override these vetoes, but at least Bill would have been on record as opposing discrimination. He is the one who capituated in favor of bigotry and there is no way you can spin it otherwise.

[TankLV]

79. Bullshit - what you are trying to claim is that this was Clinton's ORIGINAL position, when it

be farther from the TRUTH.

DADT was a good bill FOR THE TIME. Period.

BUT - Clinton's original INTENT was to elimimate the BAN ENTIRELY.

YOU fucking obamabots are trying to push this as CLINTON'S IDEA, when it is anything but.

Same with DOMA.

CLINTON IS THE BEST FRIEND GAY PEOPLE EVER HAD.

obama SEEKS OUT RELIGIOUS HOMOPHOBES - REPEATEDLY.

THAT'S the difference.

Get your fucking history correct before you spew obama LIES...

[smoogatz]

21. Wrong forum.

Off to GDP with you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. right forum.

[Tyler Durden]

39. Every day it gets worse.

By November the board should self destruct.

Where the hell are the moderators anyway? I've never seen it so slack.

[jaysunb]

23. Why Tyler ?

Why ?????????

[NMMNG]

25. They don't need us, but they'll beat us over the heads

if we say we're not voting for St. Obama. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Is there any wonder many of us want to scream?

:banghead:

[closeupready]

32. I don't understand what Tyler is saying here.

I noticed that Obama explicitly condemned those who discriminate against "gays" in his speech after winning WI and HI. That tells me that even if he isn't an ideal candidate, at least he's trying. Give him a chance.

[Tyler Durden]

34. Preaching to the wrong guy.

I'm the token "Straight Old White Guy" here. That said I'm in 100% SOLIDARITY with the community. I don't see much support for Obama in the GLBT community unless he apologizes and vows to do better. Called "Making Amends."

[closeupready]

37. Making amends would be a nice change. Hopefully, that happens in one form or another.

:hi:

[Joshua N]

41. All my gay friends are supporting Obama...

but they are all black, so maybe that doesn't mean as much?

[Tyler Durden]

43. Not touching that one.

But I'll tell you this: You likely won't see more than 1 of 10 gay people around here supporting him.

Nobody wants this "racial." Not a good place to go.

[Joshua N]

48. I meant the question sincerely.

Wanted to know what my white gay brothers thought about this, I guess.

And, you are right. Gay rights are HUMAN RIGHTS.

[Adamocrat]

44. 32 years old, white, and NOT supporting Obama!

This may be the first ever presidential election that I sit out. (I'll still vote for my state and local, but McCain vs. Obama isn't much of a choice.) I'm angry with my party, and I'll be apathetic (at best) if he's the candidate. Donnie McClurkin's agenda will not get my vote.

[okasha]

53. My gay friends are all voting for Hillary,

and most will leave the Presidential choice blank in November if Obama's the Dem nominee. At least one has already said he'll vote for McCain in that case; he'll go with his pocketbook if LGBT rights are off the table.

[Chovexani]

70. I am black, queer

And Obama can kiss my ass.

Don't even fucking go there.

[Iggo]

42. If 46 is old, that makes two of us.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

[Tyler Durden]

45. Damned right Gay Rights are Civil Rights.

[Prism]

46. Correction

You don't see much support for Obama in certain segment of the DU GLBT community.

Outside of this board, the community is getting along just fine supporting both candidates.

Please don't mistake what goes on here as representative of GLBTs. It's not.

[NMMNG]

58. Keep thinking that

There are even GLBTs who are Republicans, you know. :eyes:

[Prism]

63. I believe in diversity

Real diversity. Not "We all look different but think exactly the same."

So, sure, I'll fight the image projected by a few around here who want people to believe their own private opinions should be taken by others as representative of GLBTs.

I don't even hate gay Republicans. I certainly don't envy what they're trying to do (assuming they're econo-cons), or even understand what some of them are doing (if they're social-cons).

It is possible to vote Democratic and still be civil with our gay brothers and sisters who don't agree with us. Dignity isn't something accorded only to those who agree with us perfectly.

But I'm weird like that. I try not to hate my political opposition. It's not something I revel in. YMMV. As a gay man, it's up to me to be better than the people who would tear me down.

[Creideiki]

61. The more social website I'm a member of has these results:

~20% Edwards
~20% Obama
~50% Clinton
~10% others

Now, if all the people that supported all the other candidates went to Obama over Clinton, it would be equal. Since that's likely not the case, then it's logical to say that while not everyone is happy with Clinton, there's definitely a majority going her way.

[Prism]

64. Maybe, but the polls are highly flawed

I wouldn't take a volunary internet poll as representative of anything. And many of the polls currently being performed on the gay community are inherently flawed and weighted to favor Clinton.

For a start, if you look at most gay polling done by just about every outfit, they try to get a roughly equal number of men and women in the poll. Which works for the general population, but not an LGBT one. Mainly because gay men outnumber lesbians almost two to one.

As a result, women tend to be over-represented in LGBT polling, and Senator Clinton tends to benefit from that demographic.

We've never had a really good poll of what LGBTs think on most issues because they're often weighted in this way. I think it's more than possible Senator Clinton has majority support, but I think the actual numbers are probably much closer than what has so far been reported.

At the end of the day, we really don't know. We have our anecdotal experience to guide us, which naturally varies from person to person.

[hulklogan]

38. If some Obama people had their way, there wouldn't even be an election

They would prefer that the Saintly Senator is just installed as President for the hope of the country. So sayeth the mobs of message board attackers who pounce on anyone who questions Senator Obama in any way.

[urbuddha]

49. I'm happy to say there are a lot of Obama stickers in The Castro

Yes We Can !
Barack Obama 2008 !

[Tyler Durden]

54. Not a popular sentiment here I the moment, I'm afraid.

I would say that's SLIGHTLY divisive. Haven't we all had enough of that? I'm boycotting GD-P AGAIN for just that reason.

[NMMNG]

56. Um, what is your point?

:shrug:

[fightthegoodfightnow]

59. You're Going to be Hard Pressed to Find Anything to Suggest that Obama Said He Doesn't Need

........ the American people.


Flash dance all you want.

[Tyler Durden]

60. And where has he said he needs YOU?

Or needs the community enough to make the slightest amends for McCurkin?

Haven't seen it.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

65. Huh?

Oh.............nevermind.

[Creideiki]

76. So if the nuts in GD:P get their way

and those of us that insist on at least dialogue before voting for someone get kicked out, where do we go?

I've got great Congressional candidates I'll be working for, and I've been here for 6 freaking years. I know I'm mostly lurk-ish, but it's always been nice to have someplace to come and hang out when things get just a little to creepy. I'd still like to be able to talk about Udall and DeGette and progressive issues. Is this really a make-or-break thing for the "relationship"?