The Obama Partisans on and off board have helped me make up my mind.

[Tyler Durden]

I will support Hillary Clinton. I will lobby my Senators (Levin and Stabenow) to get our delegates seated (Michigan) and I hope Florida will do the same. That, with Pennsylvania alone should put Clinton ahead of Obama.

I might be posting the following in GD. I don't know if I'll go to GD-P or not...I was boycotting as long as I maintained neutrality of a sort, but that has changed. I'll think about that one.


for GD. Maybe:

I want to thank the Obama Supporters for finally forcing me off the fence. And I mean OFF the board as well: don't flatter yourselves that you're that influential; the Obama Partisans in Real Life are just as in-your-face-Hillary-is-the-whore-of-Babylon as you people here.

Having gone from Draft Gore to Edwards to not having a horse in the race, AND as a despised voter from the late, great, USUALLY Blue State of Michigan, I have desperately tried to maintain neutrality.

Seeing as I do that there is really not that much difference between them when they do SAY something of substance (with Obama actually SAYING less, with his "hope, change, hope, change" mantra), I had hoped to let it go to the convention. Obama made it very hard with the "Homosexuals are not immoral," while Clinton went far enough to say that "Homosexuality is not immoral," and the McClurkin/Caldwell 2 pronged Axis of Bigotry was hard to take, but GOD FUCKING DAMN IT, I've had enough.

No more.

I still may boycott the snake pit, excuse me, GD-P, but I will now enter in support of Clinton. The nasty, truth bending, warlike behavior of many Obama Partisans (Not all of you; some of you have been downright polite and honest) has been far too much to bear.

Congratulations, Obama CULTISTS. You've made a Convert. To Clinton. Too bad I'm in Michigan, except that I will lobby Senator Carl Levin and Senator Debbie Stabenow HARD to get our delegates seated, something I said I wouldn't do, but too bad. I'm sick of the madness, and if your candidate is half as bad as you, he must be stopped any way possible.

Obama is not an acceptable candidate. I don't think I ever believed he was from the moment he broke his promise to serve out his term and not run for President, but now since the gloves are finally off, I will not let it lie any longer.

And you want a confession? I thought she'd make one HELL of a VP for a new Gore Campaign, but since she's running and the competition is inexperienced, incompetent, bloviating, and is so hateful and critical of her and her supporters...well, I'll just support her for President then, and consider myself in excellent company.

And for any of my friends here who support Obama, this is not directed at you personally. I haven't seen that sort of vehemence from you, and the ones I have seen go over the top are on ignore already.

End of my possible GD rant. I haven't made up my mind as to whether I'll drop this in there or not.

[tabatha]

1. You don't make up your mind based on the

candidates? You get other people to think for you?

I have seen bad people on both sides, but my commitment to my candidate is not based on anyone else's BS.

[tyne]

2. Everybody has different reasons

for voting for or against a candidate. After all, Hillary gets a majority of people who say "race" is an issue.

So....good on you.

[mitchtv]

15. But Obama gets 90+% of African American votes

go figure

[Tyler Durden]

7. Oh it wasn't all that. Most of it was just being polite.

I detested Obama's bigotry by proxy since the weekend of the McClurkin affair. The Kirbyjon Caldwell endorsement without comment put it over the edge. Add to that his massive support from lobbyists on and off campaign, the bile of the rabid fringe of supporters on and off board, I could never feel good about being in his camp. Besides, I've respected Hillary Clinton since her days of being called "The Good Yoko."

I feel better now that it's out in the open. Call me an "Out of the Closet Hillary Supporter" if you want, but I never liked Barack Obama.

[tabatha]

8. I found that Obama is open to all people.

He support gays, gays who are now straight, straight people, and everyone else.

I have respected Hillary since Bill's candidacy - in fact I was thrilled with seeing a woman so involved in his campaign.
But her actions, and only those of hers - not what anyone said about her - have made me get to the point where I am really put off. I hate to say that. I wanted her to win this time, to stick it to the repubs who made such a big issue out of the Clintons. Nothing would have been sweeter to see her fix the mess that Bush has gotten us into. But I am very dismayed by her behavior. And her judgment on issues that affect us personally everyday, such as the war, looks pretty bad.

However, from your screed above, it would seem that you were not pro Obama from the start, and only wanted to find something to hang that dislike onto, to justify it. You are blind to his good qualities, and obsess over things that do not have an impact on the well-being of the country.

[LostinVA]

10. There is no such thing as "gays who are now straight"

And the hatemongers of the Ex Gay Movement should never be given a platform, let alone given a platform by a Dem. The Ex Gay Movement kills.

[mitchtv]

12. supports Gays?

Are you sure it's not just "election year politics"? I'm not; He proved he was above nothing in the SC primary. I don't feel he is personally homophobic, but I do feel he is a slippery politician. Why did he insist on not taking a picture with Gavin Newsom? Politics before belief, that's why.

[Zuiderelle]

13. You missed "straights who are now gay" didn't you?

And what the hell do you mean that our civil rights do not have an impact on the well-being of this country? Keeping us second class citizens makes this whole liberty/equality thing a complete sham. And that is definitely NOT good for the well-being of this country.

[Creideiki]

16. Come on, now.

It reminds the straight people that they're better than us. (Do I really need to pull out the "Sarcasm" emote?)

[hulklogan]

27. My sister is a straight who is now gay

I guess she'll have to vote for Hillary, since that is one group Obama may not support.

[Creideiki]

14. Good. Because the Barack-Michelle team

have lost the support of this native Chicagoan. An Illinois senator should not be capable of losing my support.

Now, it's possible that he can earn it back. I'll let you hold your breath on that happening, though.

[NMMNG]

17. "Gays who are now straight"

Those would be gays who are denying and repressing their gayness to please rabid bigots/Jesus/God. There is no such thing as an "Ex-Gay". The American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association both have stated that it is not possible to change one's sexual orientation and that it's harmful to try. Nonetheless the hateful bigots keep trying to make gay people do so because their bigotry trumps everything else, including the emotional/spiritual health of people and even their very lives.

[Chovexani]

19. Oh just get the hell out of our forum with this nonsense.

"Gays who are now straight" = REPRESSED BISEXUALS. THEY ARE NOT STRAIGHT.

God.

[sui generis]

72. hey Cho

ha ha hahahahahaha. I love you, in a sliding scale platonic way. :hi:

My goodness. On the original topic: I just don't think we need another pseudo-preacher in office, and the fact that Obama focuses on personal characteristics, gospel-delivery speechifying, and responses that I equate with jilted jock boyfriends makes me think he is not emotionally mature enough for the position, his lack of experience in anything to do with reality notwithstanding. I wanted to believe in him, but it takes a level of emotional IQ, a fairly low one, to be able to say to Americans who serve in the military, who happen to love someone of the same gender, that federal marriage is a sacred rite between a man and a woman and that otherwise "states rights" and civil unions should apply to everyone else.

I've been alive long enough, and hard enough to know which horse is going to get us out of the burning forest, and which one is going to drop our ass and make a run for it.

Not a giant fan of Hillary's either, for nearly the same reasons, but I think she's smarter, less spiteful, and has more political integrity. I'd rather lean toward a candidate who focuses on issues and solutions without having to first be told she's a "rising political rock star".

[LostinVA]

73. Good post

[Zuiderelle]

76. I agree.

:thumbsup:

[Tyler Durden]

75. And he's LYING about his faith.

The UCC has complete and unqualified support for Same Sex Marriage.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5018003&mesg_id=5018003

He's using a "faith" excuse that does not exist.

[mondo joe]

22. Please take the "gas who are now straight" bullshit to GD: P where it belongs.

And will no doubt find a home.

[Maven]

37. Gays who are now straight?

Wow. You really don't get it at all. You don't even understand what sexual orientation is--how could you possibly understand the heinous damage so-called ex-gay programs do to GLBT people?

[Tyler Durden]

38. And you sound exactly like a Branch Davidian describing David Koresh.

Typical response, just like your man. No substance, accusations, innuendo, disputation by buzzword.

Leave me to my candidate, I'll leave you to yours.

[superkia]

21. I dont understand that either, its so childish. How do we decide...

what happens to our childrens future by someone talking trash? Are there really people in America that don't care about what happens to our children and grandchildren when we have passed? This type shit disgusts me and I hope these type of people wake up for our childrens sake.

[mondo joe]

26. If it were the SOLE factor you might be right. But if you feel two candidates are roughy

comparable, but one inspires some real ugliness in his or her followers, you might consider that a sign about which candidate you want to align with.

[superkia]

28. You have been here awhile so you know that the supporters...

from both sides have negatives like this, it shouldn't be an issue. You've been here, you know better.

[mondo joe]

29. I know that when people start accusing gays of faux outrage it confirms my worst

fears about one campaign.

[Tyler Durden]

39. You have obviously read nothing else I've written.

I suggest a search. I'm very prolific.

To suggest that one person is going to have that kind of impact (with the possible exception of Franklin Roosevelt) from four unremarkable years in the Senate (after promising to serve his whole term) is delusional.

Your disgust is noted and discarded. "True Believers" are very disturbing. I'd be a lot more comfortable with someone a little less fanatic.

[mitchtv]

3. Thanks, but don't waste your time in GD-P

unless you area true believer. I have opted out

[aquart]

4. I know what you mean.

I was content with Edwards until Wisconsin. The piling on, the vicious gloating...I was horrified that people who would do that still thought themselves a complete change from Bush and his loyal Bushies. I came out for Hillary and finally brought my Kucinich mother and Edwards sister along with me.

[emilyg]

5. Good.

k/r

[CatnHat]

11. I was an Edwards supporter

way back, as was my family, I became a Clinton supporter before posting on the DU and other forums. Being somewhat of a newbie, I thought the DU would offer some substantive debate. Boy, was I wrong. It didn't take long to see how (some) Obama supporters had no qualms spewing hatred, not about political issues, but posting vile personal attacks on Clinton. They didn't change my mind, but I am astounded that (some) of Obama supporters think that they are actually helping their candidates cause.

The campaign of hope and change, has become a campaign of just the opposite. So thanks (some)Obama supporters for giving us insight into the "real" Obama campaign. You definitely have changed some minds; including my daughter and her friends, after reading posts on the DU, they were astounded by the contrast Obama pretends to embrace, and what is posted here and many other forums.

[LSparkle]

6. I think even adding existing Florida and Michigan delegates and

a big win in PA doesn't tie it up (I think the math's already been done).

[Sancho]

9. I intend to vote for the Democratic candidate...and I'm really glad to

have so many excellent people to vote for. I AGREE with you. This forum has been less than informative. I've used the ignore more than I can ever remember....I would have preferred to have seen Gore as a two term President, but it didn't happen, so I'm very excited to have anyone but BUSH (we've been double-bushedwhacked here in Florida!).

If I could wave a magic wand, I'd love to have Edwards and Hillary run together, Obama as the new Attorney General, and Richardson as Secretary of State to replace Condi. Kucinich would be a great Senate majority leader. Maybe we could reverse some of the damage with that sort of team.

Unfortunately, I won't get my way, but attacking some pretty good Democrats with all the mud and slander is stupid and won't get us anywhere in the long run. I'm going to support any Democrat by going after the bad guys, not our own people.

Some of this energy should be directed at the real problem, the repubs plan to STEAL the election AGAIN. I think we should stop them.

[NMMNG]

18. Righteous rant, Tyler

K&R :applause:

[Sandaasu]

20. I can understqand that.

They pissed me off when the McClurkin thing was going on, being apologetic about it. I've forgiven that over time though. My view is adjusted additionally by Hillary supporters who have managed to annoy me, and still do regularly, with their blatant sexism.

[LostinVA]

49. You sure you got that right? Blatant sexism from *Hillary* supporters?

[mondo joe]

23. Understood. Very much. I was once neutral, then favored Clinton, but the anti gay shit I've

seen on GD: P clinched it for me.

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Welcome. I became a Hillary supporter because of the same exact reason.

I was trying to stay neutral because I liked them both, but then I came to GDP. It took 3 days of the Obamoids hatred, bashing, and nastiness toward Hillary and her supporters, for me to be completely DISGUSTED. I had had enough.

In 2004, the Dean/Clark battles were BAD, but the Obamoid shit here makes those days look like a day in the park. This is much, much worse than 2004.

[Johnny_Cargo]

25. Great comment, thank you

You have well stated what many of us think, I also was quite open to Obama in the beginning but realized, once I looked beyond the hysteria (and saw the cult following here) that indeed, Obama was not at all an acceptable candidate.

[BlueIdaho]

30. You're welcome

As one of those who have helped you become a Billary supporter - I need to talk to you about the drapes and carpet we can force you to buy for your front room. Lets face it, the Clinton's can't have it both ways - Hillary wants to claim part of Bill's presidency as her valued experience even though she held no security clearance. That means the biggest foreign affairs decision she may have made was likely which china pattern to use when a head of state came for a white tie dinner at the White House. And lets not forget- one of her early selling points was the "two for the price of one" we'd get with the Billaries back in the White House - so its hardly an insult - its her selling point.

The republicans are licking their chops - hoping the Clinton's will be our candidates. They have the play book dusted off and ready to go. It will be Whitewater, slippery zippers, and an eyebrow raising list of "close friends" right up to election day. Sound mean? Remember its the republicans we're talking about. Even if she manages a win it will be 50.5% to 49.5% - no coat tails, and no veto proof majority. Forget health care, forget Iraq, just more of the same trench warfare.

Finally - heres the "3am" add the rovian republicans will run if Billary is our candidate. the phone will ring and ring - finally Bill will answer it - next to him will be a shapely young thing in silhouette. Sound sexist? Sound harsh? Sound mean? Are you kidding - its the republicans, and THEY will run that add.

[hulklogan]

31. Senator Obama can't have it both ways either

He can't say he fully supports GLBT Americans, then ignore their concerns about his fundraiser with anti-gay gospel acts. He can't claim to support equal rights for everyone and then deny GLBT Americans marriage equality. And he sure as hell can't claim that he talks to churches about their anti-gay beliefs and then call us sinners.

[mondo joe]

32. Two for the price of one? Heavens - two smart capable people. What a nightmare!

And not a McClurkin to be seen.

[BlueIdaho]

33. So...

Clinton's praise of Harold Mayberry is ok with you?

[mondo joe]

34. Did she select him to emcee her event?

Did she do so after HRC asked her not to?

[BlueIdaho]

35. Look...

There's no getting around the fact that Hillary trumpeted her friendship with Harold Mayberry in a press release after accepting his endorsement. If you find that qualitatively or quantitatively different from Obama's problems with this issue fair enough. If Obama's stated positions don't go far enough for you - vote for Hillary - but don't fool yourself into thinking she will change anything. She will either (a) loose to McCain or (b) win by such a narrow margin that the gridlock in Washington will make any real progress on this or any other issue impossible.

[mondo joe]

36. I'm looking but you're not answering me.

And why you think I should take the assurance of a stranger on a message board as material is just a mystery.

[BlueIdaho]

41. Huh?

I'm not trying to sell you anything. If you don't believe Billary has her own problems on this issue your just not paying attention. If you think the Clinton's can escape a withering attack using all the same old stuff that worked so well last time they were in office you don't know much about republicans. Those thugs will do anything and say anything to win - and that's much easier if we hand them a candidate with plenty of baggage and that's guaranteed to turn out their base.

I want us to win - to win the White House and a veto-proof congress for one simple reason - if we don't win - NOTHING changes. Not for you, not for me, not for anyone.

Now this will make you happy - I'll let you have the last word.

[mondo joe]

42. I'm aware of Hillary's shortcomings. I'm aware of Obama's. You're still not

telling me anything I don't know, or giving me any reason to change my mind.

[Tyler Durden]

45. The woman's first name is HILLARY.

No one here has made funny little cutsies on Senator Obama's name.

Shall we start? I think not. I'd rather be thought of as an adult.

Personally, although I do not support or even like Senator Obama, that is the proper and respectful method of address.

Your opponent is SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON of New York State, not "Billary." You do realize that you sound childish saying that.

Or do you?

[davidinalameda]

43. don't bring up the homophobes supporting Hillary

the hillbots can't handle it

[Tyler Durden]

44. The homophobes supporting Clinton....

...are not PROMINENT, were not given a STAGE to preach from and were not ENDORSED by Clinton.

Top that.

[mondo joe]

46. I can handle it. I can aso distinguish it from Obama's pattern of kowtowing to the

religious bigot worldview.

Thanks.

[Tyler Durden]

47. Oh and by the way...if I am a "Hillbot," does that make you an "Obamanoid?"

Why don't we rise above the silly name calling, at least HERE. GD-P is a find place for that kind of crap.

The entire GLBT community is BASED on RESPECT; I would love to see that practice extended.

[Tyler Durden]

40. Screw anyone who comes on with that "BILLARY" shit.

The moment you use that, closed go the ears.

[BlueIdaho]

48. Pot meet kettle

So much for a community "BASED on RESPECT"...

[LostinVA]

50. *yawn*

Now shoo!

[Tyler Durden]

51. So, where was your respect?

I saw nothing but ridicule, so I saw nothing to respect.

Still feel like using "Billary?" Then you're still using ridicule.

[mondo joe]

52. Hard to respect someone who introduces themselves by being disrespectful.

You may assume respect or at least neutrality when introduced. If you then establish that you have no respect for your audience, that's what you should expect to follow.

[plantwomyn]

53. If that's all the repugs have,

Bring it on. Whitewater was a multi- million dollar witch hunt. BJ's in the White house! Wow, a scandal. Another multi-million dollar WASTE of taxpayer money for an impeachment they KNEW would fail. Can you say fiscal policy?
And lets talk about "close friends". Being from Indiana via Chicago I get a lot of my news from the Chicago area. The Tribune, the Sun Times, and the great reported Carol Marin have much to say about Obama's close friend RESKO.
Now you will say... Obama didn't do anything illegal... Obama didn't know what RESKO was doing...Obama isn't part of the indictment. And all of those things may be true. But see you want us to accept that at face value and take Obama at his word. Yet refuse to do so for Clinton. And among Obama supporters there are many that Clinton could say are "close friends" too. Friends can disagree and still be friends.
As for First Lady's "security clearance" and " biggest foreign affairs decision". Are you asking us to believe that when Hillary Clinton represented the United States of America, in over 80 countries as First Lady, that the only briefing she received from the State Department was whether to bow or curtsy? Does the NSA monitor POTUS's every moment to insure secrets are not spoken about or all the briefings{papers} are secure at all times to make sure POTUS doesn't lay something down that may be seen by a spouse? I think the American people have come to understand that the First Spouse has an important role in our government and is a TRUSTED advisor to POTUS. Maybe you should check out Eleanor Roosevelt and reevaluate your opinion Of First Ladies.

OBTW POTUS does not have a "security clearance" either. It is intrinsic to the job. If it weren't I have grave doubts shrub could have qualified!

[Der Blaue Engel]

57. The Republicans started the Billary slur, too, which you seem to have taken to heart

No one is responsible for the "sexist Rovian Republican" slurs you've filled your post with but you.

[NewYorker83]

54. Right on

I have been a Clinton supporter since the beginning. I donate monthly and lobby against these Obama cultists, who, are in general quite rude and elementary. Kind of the sort, "how dare you not support the heir!!" The Obama people desperately want Clinton out as they know if he can not carry any large states, the super delegates most likely will back Clinton. With McCain running, there is no certainty that New York and California will go blue again. After all, both states love moderate NE Republicans. Take care and welcome to Team Hillary :-)

[TheWraith]

55. No offense, but...

...Anybody with eyes and a brain can tell that you were behind Clinton before. As if you didn't practically admit it in your post with regards to serving out his senate term, your perpetual and deliberate distortion of Obama's position on gays and McClurkin was a dead giveaway. As is the fact that you conveniently ignored Clinton actually hiring people much worse than an idiot gospel singer. As such, your post is pretty much a convenient excuse for pretending that you were unbiased in order to take a swipe at Obama.

Good luck. But I strongly suggest that you reexamine your preconceptions about Obama, and actually look at his policies and statements as opposed to forming opinions based entirely on an irrational fit of temper. Because short of lightning strike or alien invasion, he's going to be the nominee. And for those of us who actually care about winning in November, and consequently little things like the Supreme Court as opposed to major decisions like who gets to sing at a gospel concert, that's very good news.





And you want a confession? I thought she'd make one HELL of a VP for a new Gore Campaign, but since she's running and the competition is inexperienced, incompetent, bloviating, and is so hateful and critical of her and her supporters...well, I'll just support her for President then, and consider myself in excellent company.

[Tyler Durden]

56. No offense, but...

If you think finally getting fed up with a candidate who uses religion to dance around Equal Treatment Under The Law for ALL CITIZENS is an "...irrational fit of temper..." then perhaps you're posting in the wrong forum.

I have waited since the "Gospel Cavalcade" where he screwed up by telling the world that Donnie would be just another act and instead said nothing about the 30 minute sermon for Senator Obama to come up with the "minerals" to apologize for what happened. Nothing but justifications and bloviation about "...working with everyone..." including the bigots has been the rule.

I'd say I'd been pretty God Damned Patient, with Obama AND with his supporters.

[Touchdown]

58. Alright now. This, and another thread is turning into GD-P

I come in here cuz I'm a gay man who likes to read about what's going on in the GLBT world.

I realize that not being a bit Hillary fan, and Obama is pretty dismissive with McClurkin as well, that I just don't feel as welcome here as before. There does seem to be some kind of love fest/haven/takeover of Clinton supporters in this (you know, the GLBT forum) and frankly it makes me uncomfortable when I think Obama is pretty ok at the time.

I now vascillate between the two. I know I probably shouldn't, but I've kind of cooled off about the McClurkin slap, because I got back into the big picture of what's going on. He says something disingenuous, then I support Hillary again, and back and forth I go. But I already caucused on Super Tues. a month ago, so my ever changing mind doesn't matter anymore.

Right now, that 3am commercial (which is dumb) has scooted me over a little to Obama, and to hear so many other GLBT & friends call me a cultist (even if temporary) is making this forum un-welcome to any GLBT Obama supporters.

I truly hope that changes, cuz I like this board.:hi:

[DarkTirade]

59. I'm kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place myself.

I can't support Clinton just because I don't agree with her on too many things. But nor can I support Obama either, for various other reasons.

Either way I'll be 'holding my nose' when I vote come November.

That reminds me, I need to look at the calendar and see when election day is... I hope it's not on my birthday again. :P

[LisaM]

60. My family all switched from Edwards to Clinton

I didn't even know the rest of them were doing it! Of course, three of them are in Michigan and so far, their votes won't count, but I have faith. Thanks, Tyler Durden (I can reveal now that one of your valentine hearts came from me, just becuase you wrote something that was really positive, though I can't recall now what it was - maybe something about union-made cars?)

[xchrom]

61. donnie and the gospellettes and obama's comments re: a set of basic rights

just means i'm the nobama camp.

i started this election out being excited about everyone -- but with the near religious ecstasy of the obama campaign -- i just can't go there.

[mitchtv]

63. It' scary isn't it?

All sorts of red flag alerts. Reminds me a bit of Rev Jim Jones

[xchrom]

66. well. it does make one think not much good can come of

all this near religious ecstasy.

[Zuiderelle]

70. Yep.

[urbuddha]

62. Obama did not send us to war...Hillary did ! Vote Obama...

Barack Obama will make the right decision.Hillary has proven she most likely won't.


VOTE OBAMA !

[Tyo]

64. Ummm have you looked at his voting record?

He is on record as saying that his position on the war is essentially the same as that of George Bush and his voting history backs this up.

So give the rah rah rah stuff a rest. Your guy is a running on he strength of one non-vote and hoping that we'll forget the rest of them. And he is a religious bigot as well. I'm having trouble getting excited about him.

[hulklogan]

65. NOBAMA

:grr:

[NMMNG]

67. Obama didn't "send us to war" because he wasn't around to vote on the matter

But he did vote for every funding bill since then.

Barack Obama is a lying, underhanded politician. I won't vote for him no matter how many VOTE OBAMA! messages you spew here.

[LostinVA]

74. Do you have anything of substance to contribute to the GLBT forum?

Anything at all?

[readmoreoften]

68. It was his supporters that pushed me to Hillary as well. And I voted in Texas.

I was Kucinich, then Edwards. I never thought I'd see the day when I'd vote for Hillary Clinton, but the Obama cult are more frightening to me than the Bush voters--and incredibly similar. HOPE LOVE GOD CHANGE FREEDOM JOIN FAMILY FAITH HOPE HOPE. And of course under all that they are the most violent, rageful people you'd ever not want to know. If I'd never met an Obama supporter, I would've tossed a coin and it could've landed in his favor. But it's the Obama supporters that made everyone I know in Texas go for Clinton.

We know religious fanatics when we see them down this way...

I'm pretty done with all this. I have zero hope for this country. Zero.

[dropkickpa]

69. Same here

I don't buy the whole "I didn't realize Donnie was a dick" thing. And, if I did, I certainly wouldn't want a president that naive and obtuse.

I am sickened by the kowtowing to religious groups.

And I am frankly amused at the reaction of Obamites to the Hillary 3am ad. All of the crying and whining about that are hilarious. Hillary has spent the last 15 years (even when she WASN'T in public office) being a ground zero target for all of the hate and venom of the right. She's gone(still going?) through the trial by fire and come out ahead and with her dignity. Obama's people are in for a RUDE awakening about "negative campaigning" if they think the 3am ad was bad (it was pretty milquetoast compared to what going to come). They ain't seen nothing yet. If he should get the nomination, he is going to be DECIMATED by much worse than he's ever seen so far.

What scares me the most is that, several times, when asked to name things that he has achieved, supporters are unable to come up with anything. I seen it in interviews, and seen it for myself in person when I ask. It's a cult of personality, and that shit scares the fuck out of me because it's the same type of fanatical unthinking devotion that got and kept georgie boy in.

[mitchtv]

71. Cult of personality is right

I get the heebie jeebies listening to them pour out their dreams and hopes and what "HE" will do. He will do very little.

[rcsl1998]

77. Both Candidates Are Flawed, But Light Years Ahead Of McCain...

...but the Obama 'supporters' & M$M got me to vote for Hillary on March 4 (RI) - I guess I wasn't alone...