Oklahoma Rep. Sally Kern, openly gay church pastor face off on television

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Oklahoma House Rep. Sally Kern made an Easter Sunday appearance on KFOR-TV's "Flash Point" to face off with an openly gay pastor, elaborating on her recent leaked speech and defending her views.

A spirited theological and political debate ensued between Rep. Kern, host Kevin Ogle, panelists Burns Hargis and Mike Turpen, and Dr. Scott Jones of Oklahoma City's Cathedral of Hope.

"I was speaking to a group of Republicans; grassroots Republicans," Kern explained of the original speech, which gained worldwide attention after posted on the Internet by the Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund, "and I was talking about the homosexual agenda, and how they are out there putting forth--funding very heavily--homosexual and pro-homosexual candidates to run against, and defeat, conservatives across the nation.

"I did talk about what I believe...scientific evidence, health evidence...proves that the homosexual lifestyle is a dangerous lifestyle. And, yes, I did compare it to being more dangerous than terrorism. And my point in doing that, gentlemen, was this: Everybody knows terrorism destroys and tears down, and that was the only analogy I was making is that the homosexual agenda, this lifestyle which is so destructive to individuals, is at the heart trying to tear down what is the bedrock foundation of our society, which is the family and traditional marriage."

"You don't really believe that Scott," asks panelist Michael Turpen of Pastor Jones, "is more dangerous than Osama bin Laden, do you?"

"I believe that the...homosexual agenda, and the lifestyle that it involves, is deadly to this nation. Now, I was not saying that Scott here is personally as dangerous as Osama bin Laden, but I was just making a comparison to prove my point."

"Well, I would denounce hate speech of any kind," rebuts Jones, "and have in my public remarks in response to yours. And you have to understand that when you say that gay people are like cancer...and cancer is something that we eradicate; that we kill; or that we are worse than terrorists, and terrorists are people that we go after to annihilate, to kill, you have to understand why those words would outrage people, because what are you saying? That we should go after gay people and eradicate them or annihilate them?"

"I wasn't saying that you guys were a cancer," the legislator says to Dr. Jones. "I was saying that the effect is the very same as a cancer. If God's people do not stand up and proclaim God's word, which teaches that homosexuality is a sin; and if we try to just ignore it and let it become mainstream and take on the mentality that you folks want, that it's a normal lifestyle, then that is going to spread through our culture, and we will no longer have the same kind of culture we've had for over 200 years. That's all I meant."

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The entire exchange, in two separate segments, appears (at the link) below, courtesy of NGBlog. It was originally broadcast on KFOR-TV (where the entire episode is also available) on Sunday, March 23, 2008.

http://pageoneq.com/news/2008/kern_032508.html

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1. it's very interesting that the republicans have found a woman to

front this annihilative expression.

she's a mother -- she's ''less'' threatening than a guy -- she holds a respected position.

but make no mistakes she wants us dead --"I wasn't saying that you guys were a cancer," the legislator says to Dr. Jones. "I was saying that the effect is the very same as a cancer. If God's people do not stand up and proclaim God's word, which teaches that homosexuality is a sin; and if we try to just ignore it and let it become mainstream and take on the mentality that you folks want, that it's a normal lifestyle, then that is going to spread through our culture, and we will no longer have the same kind of culture we've had for over 200 years. That's all I meant."


that's all she meant? -- she pretty well says she wants us dead.

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2. delete

Wrong spot

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3. The culture hasn't been the same for 200 years. 200 years ago, she couldn't have been elected.

She couldn't have even voted for herself. And, OMG, does she wear pants? The horror. She's destroying our 200 years of sameness. What an idiot.

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4. Funny, how they always see a homosexual agenda, but won't talk about their own,

ultra-conservative agenda to destroy the separation of church and state.

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5. How can homosexual behavior spread in the absence of desire for homosexual encounters?

I've always wondered about that line of reasoning. Because she says that as homosexuality becomes less proscribed, it is going to spread through our culture. So basically she's admitting that she subscribes to a repressive moral code, that many people currently want homosexual encounters, but repress those desires in the interests of Christianity. How is THAT healthy? Aren't those people perverting God's plan if He gave them these desires and they are repressing them?