Should we gays be celibate?

[ccharles000]

http://www.gaychristian.net/greatdebate.php
I think we have every right to have sex.

[donheld]

1. To hell with celebacy.

This queer isn't about to be celibate if I can help it.

[catnhatnh]

2. Not if you can avoid it....

Which was my cheap throwaway line.As a hetero my answer is no-intimacy and relationships are the highest callings of the species, and in many cases the most giving and noble. I am celibate and regret it....

[BillSam]

3. Celibate? Forget it!

"I think we have every right to have sex."

You said it!

Life is too short to plow through Ron's long, long, very long essay on why he is celibate, but most of what I've read only confirms for me that some religionists -- gay or straight -- are off the wall. I suspect that Ron's internalized homophobia is the only thing that (allegedly) really keeps him from having sex with men and that he will quote scripture and pseudo-intellectualize until the cows come home.

Pathetic!

I see an "ex-gay" in the making.

[mac2]

4. Everyone else does

[cboy4]

5. I would be interested in joining the Gay Christian Network!

:sarcasm:

[moggie]

6. Do you want the official Church of England response?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPUE9xpxjcc

[Sandaasu]

7. Almost "ex-gay," hell no.

Which is odd because that same community has strict rules against promoting anything "ex-gay," while protesting this "side-b" group, which is pretty much a half-step between a normal, well-adjusted queer person and "ex-gay." All it takes is a little convincing that you can change your sexuality, and off you go into insanity.

[bushmeister0]

8. definition of "celibacy"

"celibacy: an unmarried status"

That's all it means. Nothing about having sex in there except for the religious thing which is based on a total money making scam.

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/celibacy

According to Brief History of Celibacy in the Roman Catholic Church
Metroland - July 11, 2002 by Glenn Weiser

The whole mess stared . . .

"With the Council of Elvira in Spain in about 306, which prohibited bishops, deacons and priests from marrying. Shortly thereafter, the early church fathers began to stigmatize sex as sinful in their writings. St. Ambrose (340-397) wrote, 'The ministerial office must be kept pure and unspoiled and must not be defiled by coitus,' and the former libertine St. Augustine (354-430) even went so far as to consider an erect penis a sign of man’s insubordination.

With the advent of the Dark Ages around 500, the upheavals in society saw a decline in clerical discipline and with it, a return to marriage and even the keeping of concubines by priests. During this time, the wealth of the church was also increasing, a development not lost on Rome. Many priests were leaving church lands to their heirs, and others handed down land of their own through primogeniture.

The Holy See saw that a return to the celibacy rule would result in a real-estate bonanza, and in about 1018 Pope Benedict VIII put teeth in the Elvira decree by forbidding descendents of priests to inherit property. Later, in the 11th century, Pope Gregory VII, who had assumed vast power by declaring himself the supreme authority over all souls, went even further by proscribing married priests from saying mass; he also forbid parishioners from attending masses said by them. Scholars believe that the first written law forbidding the clergy to marry was finally handed down at the Second Lateran Council in 1139."

http://www.celticguitarmusic.com/mland~celibacy.htm

The whole problem with preists abusing children nowadays and the chuch looking the other way is that after centuries of the celibacy commandment, ALL sex, regardless of with whom or what, is a bad thing. Sex with women, goats, kids, it's all the same. As long as the church isn't losing out financially, they don't care. And now, apparenty, even though they are losing out financially, the Church is so ossified it can't even save itself from ruin. They have to adher "religously" to their acient prohibitions on human nature. Peter would be so proud!

It's all a big hoax.

People, by definition, can't help being people. People are hardwired for sex. It's so sick and twisted the way these hipocrites wreck people's lives to maintain the lifestyle the Church hierarchy has become accostomed to. They'll actually frighten people into thinking even after death they're on the hook for what they do in private with someone they love. Really shameless.

Who died and made they likes of Hitler Youth standout Iron Pope Ratzinger God?

[TexasProgresive]

11. Thank you for clarifing the meaning of the word

I can't stand how words get twisted to some other meaning then what they are. It destroys their power to communicate.

[BillSam]

24. Fascinating -- thanks for the info!

[Jamastiene]

9. Not just no, but hell no. n/t

[mrcheerful]

10. Celibate? Why would a person not want to celibate? Oh wait thats celibate not

celebrate, never mind........leave it to christians to come up with something to ruin ones fun times. Hey does anyone know why Baptists are so anti sex? Sex is to much like dancing. After all its all about hugging and holding, just one is done standing and the other requires laying down and with same sex, it doesn't matter who's on top. Hey wait a minute, theres the problem, in christian religions who's on top does matter, after all a womans place is under her hubby, but seeing the knuckle draggers that make up the religion, good lord thats why a lot of ex christian women love their veggies. Oh never mind, its just one of those days for me, I never get things right and besides I enjoy the mate being on top, even if she hasn't figured out that its up and down not wiggle back and forth, see sex is dangerous, just look how carried away I got with just the thought of who's on top. And you actually believe people will give up what they enjoy so much? Besides, being poor, sex is the only thing that takes your mind off eating, though it does make one want a smoke and shower after. But then theres the other problem, which comes first? The shower or the cigarette, can't do both well together, unlike sex. Oh damn, see, I'm so confused what was the question again? Pretty bad writing about sex can lead one astray, sex is best left to priests and alter boys, maybe it would be best to use a turkey baster to get wife pregnant, oh wait to get the stuff to put into the turkey baster requires one to do another bad thing in religion, damn sex is just bad and unhealthy if your religious, and why is something so natural so complicated?

Edited due to an unnatural growth problem.

[mrcheerful]

20. Hey theres the answer to gay sex...... let them marry and find out

for themselves, Marriage + committment = no sex. Just ask any married couple of 10 years or more.

[terrya]

12. Well, if you choose to be celibate, sure.

If it's your own choice, sure.

But otherwise...why should we be celibate? There's no reason whatsoever why we shouldn't enjoy sex.

[Glorfindel]

13. Well, of course. In the words of the immortal Tallulah Bankhead

we should be as "pure as the driven slush." Just like our straight brothers and sisters. :evilgrin:

[qb]

14. That would violate the sacred tenets of hedonism.

:evilgrin:

[foxeyes2]

15. Need to clarify

If by celibate they mean to refrain from having sex outside of marriage then no since in 49 states in this country we are unable to get married. So how can a Deity expect us to be celibate and never give us the chance to take marriage vows? it doesn't make sense to me.

[Ellen Forradalom]

16. It's called a sexual orientation for a reason.

:eyes:

[Tyo]

17. One can if one chooses to

But it's always a choice not an obligation, just as it is a choice for straight people.

As far as religions go, they can lay down any rules they like for their believers and what their believers do with those rules is up to them. But in any case the right of religion to impose rules stops at the church door.

[GodlessBiker]

18. Well, if we win marriage equality, I'm sure we will be.

[swimmernsecretsea]

19. Not involuntarily, no. But I'm working on fixing that...

In fact, I have a date lined up for this weekend! Soon, I'll be making the baby Jesus cry!

[closeupready]

21. Why don't these people just speak English?

Sheez. How many pages and pages and pages does it take to explain yourself.

Gays who choose to be celibate are fine. Gays who choose to not be celibate are fine. God is not cruel, and did not create gay people so that they could suffer for their entire lives. That's perverse and evil.

[closeupready]

22. Interestingly, I also disagree with the pro-sex guy.

>>This is a much better argument than the first two. Essentially, it says this: If extramarital sex is wrong, then gay sex would only be permissible in a gay marriage. But, the argument says, there is no such thing as a gay marriage in God's eyes; every marriage in the Bible is heterosexual.

I agree with the first half of this argument; I believe that sex should be reserved for marriage. Whether we like it or not, sex forms a bond with others, and that bond is difficult if not impossible to break. When people have sex without a commitment, it can take quite an emotional and psychological toll once the relationship ends. (Cameron Diaz's character in Vanilla Sky asks her ex-boyfriend, "Don't you know that when you sleep with someone, your body makes a promise whether you do or not?") Anonymous sexual encounters and one-night stands can be even more harmful, not to mention the potential for STDs. Promiscuity ultimately results in a loss of self-respect, a devaluing of sex, and potential damage to others. So I agree with this argument that sex ought to be in a marriage relationship, where the physical bond is matched by a relational bond and isn't just an incidental side-effect.<<

Who says forming a sex bond is impossible to break???? You can have sex without commitment, without paying a toll. Plenty of people do that every single day. And promiscuity is the body letting off sexual energy. Not sure why he's arguing that "unloading" leads to loss of self-respect. ????

[BillSam]

25. It's the old sex is sinful

if it's only for pleasure. But since gays don't procreate (with each other) I guess the pro-sex guy thinks being married will somehow make it less pleasurable?!

I remember a friend once telling me: Some of the hottest sex I've ever had was with guys I didn't even like!" (let alone love).

[closeupready]

26. Ah, yes, of course.

Good to see you around again - have been missing your input here. :hi:

[BillSam]

28. Thanks, baby!

Always a pleasure to read your posts! Bill

[mondo joe]

23. I think they both need to mind their own fucking business.

Everyone's sex life is their own business.

[mitchtv]

27. I am celibate

I'm married

[lightningandsnow]

29. Umm...no.

Here's the bone I have to pick lately.

So long was whatever you're doing sexually is safe, honest, and consensual, it's pretty much perfectly moral. It has nothing to to with morality.

My form of morality is, quite simply, don't be mean. Simple as that.

[xchrom]

30. i somehow slipped up and forget to mail this guy his Gay Agenda packet.

those Queens at at Gay Central Committee are SO going to give me Hell for this...:eyes:

[Crowman1979]

31. But wouldn't that make a person Asexual?

Since your not having sex with anyone, if your celibate.

[readmoreoften]

32. Purification regimes are a sign of a totalitarian community.

To not recognize that the spiritual is connected to the human animal is evidence of an evil order.

Pure souls and grand romantics dehumanize love, politics, and ethics when they fail to recognize that as far as humans contain a capacity for truth that capacity is tied to a fragile animal body. Those who forget the human animal on the path to the sublime pervert the good into a totalitarian regime: the soul of the sinner is purified on the stake, the body of the lover is murdered to keep love pure (i.e. our love will be eternal now because she'll never cheat again), the Iraqi is democratized by shock and awe, the worker is re-educated in a gulag, the gay man pinches himself to ward off impure thoughts (then whips himself, then what? Kills himself?)

The good and beautiful things in life are always messy and human: lovers make mistakes, community members dissent, and sexual intimacy requires bodies.

If you want to be celibate because you are conserving your energy for some great cause that's one thing, but if you believe that categories of people should be celibate because they are impure, then you are entering the door labeled group punishment and eradication. Whether or not you belong to the category marked for erasure doesn't really matter.