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rcsl1998 Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:43 PM
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Senator Obama Has Sam Nunn On VP Short List?
Both MSNBC & Jon Elliot of Air America have said this - Nunn is the scumbag MOST responsible for Don't Ask Don't Tell - I could never vote for an Obama/Nunn ticket...
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:46 PM
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1. make that a few more
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER.
A day to skip the top of the ticket
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:29 PM
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7. The funny thing about voting for 0bama is this: the supporters say he'll win
over McCain easily... that he'll win the independents and crossover voters.

So you don't have to.

:-)
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 03:21 PM
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13. Well ,I'm glad I didn't go with the Peoples Temple to Guyana
I don't mind missing a bandwagon now and then
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:49 PM
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15. Oh that's a classic!
:spray:
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:37 PM
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16. A most quotable quote
Thanks! :hi:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:14 AM
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26. Ah, but Reverend Jim returned in the last installment of Tales From the City.
That was a pretty funny one, mitchtv. "Well ,I'm glad I didn't go with the Peoples Temple to Guyana"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:47 PM
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2. He doesn't. Nunn gets thrown out there everytime a Dem runs who doesn't have
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 03:48 PM by blm
obvious military creds.

It's a given for newsmedia pondering.

I would bet my house this was just a leak with no basis in reality.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:51 PM
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3. Must be a slow news day
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:51 PM
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4. Got link?
I mean a link where Obama has officially stated names that he's considering.

Not names that a bunch of talking heads are pulling out of a hat.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:53 PM
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5. So "they" say. I've heard this for quite some time now. Dunno how true it is. NT
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:48 PM
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6. Well, that's appropriate
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 12:10 AM
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8. I don't think Obama has a short-list...
if he did, I seriously doubt anyone who would leak it would have access to it.

That said, if Nunn was the VP nominee I would find it extremely disappointing and it would be very hard to campaign for him.

Its probably just a rumor.. media needs something new to talk about because the Wright thing is running extremely thin.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 08:56 AM
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9. I don't think that's true.
God, I hope not. That ticket would seriously give me pause this November. No, I take that back...I couldn't vote for that ticket. I hardly think Sam Nunn has changed his attitudes towards gay people since the debacle of DADT.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:09 AM
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10. I think "Gay-is-a-choice" Richardson is a more likely choice
Obama's seems to be looking to find someone that has these qualities for his VP:

1) Gravitas/Experience to balance his relative lack

2) Regional weakness

3) Racial/Minority support

4) Won't counter his meh-ness about treating gay people like human beings
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canis_lupus Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:12 AM
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11. I certainly hope this is just rumor or speculation
Every time I reach a point where I think I can hold my nose and vote for Obama if he's the nominee, something else happens that makes me question his commitment to LGBT issues.

First it was the Donnie McClurkin issue. Then it was having the homophobic James Meeks as an advisor. Then Obama's refusal to be interviewed by the gay media. Now this which, if true, would make it impossible for me to vote for Obama.
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galledgoblin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 02:02 PM
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12. I'm still hoping for Obama/Edwards
although Edwards has gone on the record as saying that he's not interested in VP this time around.
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rcsl1998 Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:36 PM
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14. Politico.com Listed Short List For Obama & Clinton Last Weekend
Nunn was on Obama's list there as well - He's the deal breaker...
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lromfried Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:17 PM
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17. Sam Nunn: A Bad Choice for Obama
The media has suggested on numerous occasions that Senator
Barack Obama might choose former Sen. Sam Nunn (D-Ga.) as his
running mate. Sam Nunn's name was mentioned most recently by
Jimmy Carter as he endorsed Obama for president. This would be
a grave mistake! Nunn's values are contradictory to those
expressed by Sen. Obama. Now, I read that the Congressional
Black Caucus is suggesting Nunn as possible VP.
  
Sam Nunn sits on the boards of four of the most abusive
corporations in the world – Chevron, General Electric, The
Coca-Cola Co., and Dell Computers. All four have shown scant
regard for human rights, the environment and/or the labor
movement of the countries in which they operate. Yet Nunn has
been silent about the abuses of his corporate bedfellows and,
of course, is very well compensated as a board member. 
  
Chevron, (Board Member since 1997) formerly Chevron Texaco,
has been accused of abuses around the world
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cER8CjI7wdY), the most
infamous are those committed against the indigenous people of
Ecuador and complicity in the deaths of protesters in Nigeria
in 1998 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIau6hBvjTE).
Multinational Monitor named Chevron in their list of the ten
worst corporations of 1998. Does Obama need a top policymaker
of yet another ruthless oil company after eight years of
ExxonMobil in the Bush White House? Don't we need to rid the
White House of oil men? 
  
General Electric (Board Member since 1997) "has a lengthy
record of criminal, civil, political and ethical
transgressions, some of them shocking in disregard for the
integrity of human beings," according to CorpWatch. GE, a
major military contractor profiting from war, pled guilty to
defrauding the defense department, paying "one of the
largest defense contracting fines ever
(http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/mm2001/01july-august/julyaug01corp4.html).
Nunn served as chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee
in the Senate and immediately became a director of GE when
leaving the Senate in 1997. Does Obama need a top policymaker
of the war machine? 
  
The Coca-Cola Co. (Board Member since 1997) has been accused
of labor and human rights abuses in Colombia, including
kidnapping, torture and murder of union leaders
(http://www.KillerCoke.org), environmental abuses committed by
Coke in India, Mexico and elsewhere, and benefiting from the
use of hazardous child labor in El Salvador
(http://youtube.com/watch?v=B5JXmDApzp4). The Company also has
a history of racial discrimination, fraudulent business
practices, tax avoidance and corporate welfare schemes.
Multinational Monitor named The Coca-Cola Company in their
list of the ten worst corporations of 2004. Does Obama need a
top policymaker of a company that has been kicked off some 50
college and university campuses because of its widespread
labor, human rights and environmental abuses? 
  
Dell Computers (Board Member since 1999) has come under
criticism for alleged labor violations in factories producing
their computers in China, including wages below the legal
minimum, with workers reportedly earning $50 a month, routine
work shifts of 15 hours, and poor and unsafe working
conditions. Does Obama need a top policymaker profiting from
sweatshops? 
  
Sam Nunn joined these boards right after leaving the Senate,
cashing in on his political influence, and remains on all
these boards today. Nunn, as Obama's running mate, however,
would be a signal that Obama was turning a blind eye to the
worst of Corporate America.  
  
Sam Nunn is a retired partner at the Atlanta law firm King
& Spaulding, a notoriously anti-union law firm, and
continues to have an office and an email address there. Nunn
became a partner in 1997 shortly after he left the Senate. 
  
It should be noted that in 1993 Nunn was a leader of the
Senate's drive to keep openly gay people out of the military
by taking the press on tours of showers and submarine quarters
and firing two staff members who were gay. Although he now
supports a review of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
policy, he still takes no position on the issue. 
  
And finally, The Coca-Cola Company and General Electric are
contributors to the Carter Center. Coke has donated more than
$1 million and the Center has, in turn, appointed a Coke
executive to its Board of Councilors. There is prima facie
conflict of interest in Carter's recommendation of Nunn for
VP. 
  
A decision by the Obama campaign to run Nunn for VP would be
an indication that his campaign does not take labor, human
rights and environmental issues seriously.
 

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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:21 PM
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18. DAMN, you startled me by kicking this thing. I thought it was NEW news.
Definitely Nunn is an unacceptable choice. I trust that Obama knows that by now. If not, then he is risking a LOT of votes.

Welcome to DU. :toast:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 05:58 AM
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27. I sort of see why Nunn is being considered.
Sam Nunn is perceived as having impressive national security credentials. Chairman of the Senate Armed Services committee for many years. He would, I guess, bring that kind of gravitas to Obama.

But you know what...so would Wesley Clark. Who ISN'T some goddamned virulent homophobe. Clark is pretty good on GLBT issues.

I think...I hope...that there is a huge amount of opposition to Nunn out there. I hope that Obama is aware of it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:28 PM
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19. It's all for show and to tease Georgians. I think it is a nice gesture and it will never happen.
Never.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:45 PM
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21. and what would you do if it did?
(I don't think it would happen either. Obama's never struck me as tone deaf.)
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:06 PM
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23. I adore you, ruggerson.
As good as my imagination might be, Obama picking Sam Nunn to be his VP is a stretch that I can't make, so I can't answer your question.

And I've never been a fan of Sam Nunn, even back when he was a big man on the Hill and within the party and when most of you weren't even alive, he always was a reactionary.

Still, that said, because Georgia is "in play", this is a smart move.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:49 PM
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22. I do think you're right. I think it's a political play, one that really CANNOT happen.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:07 PM
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24. And you can put the bullet right through my brain if it happened, PelosiFan.
I won't even resist.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:33 PM
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20. I will never vote for Sam Nunn. EVER.
n/t
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:03 PM
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25. Welcome ... to the land of regurgitated threads
Obama has made the dead come to life. (threads that is)
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