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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:32 PM
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Still think that the FDA are the good guys,
or "not so bad," or "working for our best interests"?
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(NewsTarget) The FDA, emboldened by its transformation into a drug company, has embarked upon an anti-American plan of interfering with business and intentionally eliminating various dietary supplement companies from the market. The FDA announcement came on Friday, June 22, 2007 under the guise of a final rule for dietary supplement good manufacturing practices (CGMPs).

Within this 800 page rule the FDA states, "We find that this final rule will have a significant economic impact on a substantial number of small entities... Establishments with above average costs, and even establishments with average costs, could be hard pressed to continue to operate. Some of these may decide it is too costly and either change product lines or go out of business... 140 very small and 32 small dietary supplement manufacturers will be at risk of going out of business... costs per establishment are proportionally higher for very small than for large establishments... The regulatory costs of this final rule will also discourage new small businesses from entering the industry." (http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/%7Elrd/fr07625a.html)

This FDA rule will directly raise the price of dietary supplements for all consumers.

The FDA acknowledges this and says "We expect that the majority of these costs will be borne by consumers of dietary supplements, who will likely respond to the increase in prices by reducing consumption."

Thus, the FDA is intentionally seeking to shrink the size of the dietary supplement industry and reduce the influence of safe and effective options to improve the dreadful trend in the health of Americans.

The goal is to leave toxic drugs as the primary health option.

Independent analysis of this FDA rule has placed cost of compliance at 10 fold what the FDA estimates with as many as 50% of small companies unable to comply.

The gutless cowards of Congress,(NOT MY WORDS) a majority of whom are on the Big Pharma payroll or will be on it once they leave Congress, have delegated their lawmaking powers granted by the U.S. Constitution to a bunch of Big Pharma-friendly unelected bureaucrats at the FDA, who are in turn using this power to undermine free commerce and help Big Pharma eliminate competition from the market.

This is the behavior of a government in tyranny, inviting a revolution by the people.

!!!! It is noteworthy that fascist governments of the past have eliminated health freedom and health options as a necessary condition to enslave and brainwash a population (http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=2108&print_view=true) . Congress has delegated its responsibility to the people to such an extent that over half the laws in this country are now concocted by unelected bureaucrats with vested interests.

A Vehicle for Unprecedented Harassment

Any company that can afford to comply with the costs and regulations of this new FDA rule can be targeted and eliminated at will by the FDA. In essence, the FDA is seeking to make the dietary supplement industry document every phase of production, including expensive testing at multiple points in the production process. Massive record keeping will be required, including all customer complaints and returns for any reason! This is utterly draconian and an unnecessary interference and burden to free commerce.

It is completely Anti-American.

No doubt, the FDA will impose user fees as an additional charge so that FDA agents will have the funding required to enforce the regulations. Under the new rule any flaw in bookkeeping can result in a company's products being declared adulterated, allowing the FDA to remove them from the market even though nothing is wrong with them! A company can then be forced out of business because they won't be able to sell any products to raise the money to comply. The rules are so complex and vague that the FDA can selectively target any company it chooses, even those attempting to comply in good faith.

The FDA is doing this under the pretense of improved consumer safety. Consumer safety could readily be guaranteed by simply having all companies test their final products for purity and potency. Instead of this simple approach the FDA has gone to the extreme of burdening the dietary supplement industry with regulations in excess of the drug industry. Supplements are foods, not drugs. The food industry couldn't begin to comply with these FDA rules, even though food contamination is far more dangerous to health than dietary supplements.

The FDA intends to phase this rule in over the next three years. This means that within five years half the industry and many of the health options individuals rely on will either be gone or significantly more expensive.

Even more chilling is that forces within the dietary supplement industry itself are in no small part responsible for this FDA final rule.

Trade Groups and their Big Companies Turn on America

The Natural Products Association (formerly the National Nutritional Food Association – NNFA) and the Council for Responsible Nutrition (CRN) have been instrumental in forcing these drug-like rules on dietary supplements. These globalist organizations are selling out America, destroying American jobs, undermining the U.S. Constitution, and working in conjunction with pharmaceutical companies to usher in Codex and the New World Order.

Consumers of dietary supplements should learn who these companies are before buying their products and helping to inadvertently fund the destruction of health freedom in this country.

SNIP-

The FDA is a tyrannical organization that is now emboldened and completely out of control. It is not surprising that the FDA is seeking to eliminate competition to Big Pharma, they have been doing that for much of the past century. What is surprising is that they are openly stating in their final rule a plan that directly eliminates small businesses from existence.

This fascist organization believes itself to be above the rule of law and is actively working against America and the rights of Americans (http://www.emord.com/events/speeches/fda_violation.htm) . It must be stopped.

Richards encourages individuals to take charge of their health, stand up for their health rights, and not blindly succumb to propaganda from the vested-interests who profit from keeping Americans sick.

As founder of Wellness Resources, Inc. of Minneapolis, MN, an independently-owned nutraceutical-quality dietary supplement company since 1985. He has personally developed 75 effective nutritional formulations. (www.wellnessresources.com)
FREE Subscription to Byron's Health Newsletter, click here(www.wellnessresources.com/store/newsletter.php)
E-mail: byron@wellnessresources.com


About the author
Byron J. Richards, Founder/Director of Wellness Resources (www.wellnessresources.com), is a Board-Certified Clinical Nutritionist, a charter professional member of the International and American Associations of Clinical Nutritionists (IAACN) since 1991. He is a nationally-renowned health expert, radio personality, and educator.


AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY STORIES..TODAY!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:33 PM
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1. I never thought they were. K&R
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:37 PM
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2. At one time, they at least tried.
Now they're actively working against our health by caving in to huge corporations.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:39 PM
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3. May I respectfully suggest you try...
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 05:39 PM by IanDB1
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From the Back Cover
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:51 PM
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9. Yeah, I've heard of that.
Interesting and controversial and taboo to some, I bet. The thing is, there are LOTS of good therapies out there, especially nutritional ones, and the FDA/Big Pharma are getting scared shitless that someone will find out about all their lies and the exact multitude of them. They KNOW that knowledge is power, and the more people know about what they need to do to be healthy, that they will soon be out of business. But they are zillionaires. Why don't they just cut their losses and forget about it? DISGUSTING FASCIST GREED!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:53 PM
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10. You first. n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:56 PM
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13. I'm not the one into woo-woo medicine. YOU first. Before they ban it along with vitamins. n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:22 PM
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24. If you're an advocate for it, that's cool...
but you've gotta have a sense of humor about it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:39 PM
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4. Fine with me.
If you claim your vitamin C tablets contain 500 mg of vitamin C, I want some regulatory control to make sure it does, and not 5 mg of vitamin C, 200 mg of sawdust, and 300 mg of carcinogens.

There was a recent case where some men came down with unusual cases of prostate cancer, eventually they checked some dietary supplements they'd been taking, and it turned out they were chock full of unlisted illegal male hormones.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:50 PM
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8. Who is advocating no product testing?
Did you actually read any of the posted material, or just respond to the subject line?

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:55 PM
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11. snake oil salesmen.
I didn't read all over it.

My eyes glazed over at all the "tyranny" nonsense. Reminds me of back in the nineties when "militia men" would go on long screeds about the ATF.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:59 PM
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15. BULLSHIT!
Only people who never take vits and supplements , ever, would say such a thing. It is your right to not take them. Don't let them take my rights away!!!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:01 PM
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16. What makes you think I don't take vitamins and supplements?
It couldn't be the healthy dose of butt-kicking.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:07 PM
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21. When I see the words: SNAKE OIL SALESMEN
I assume you think it's all useless. You've been a naysayer before, so naturally, it wasn't much of a leap! ...If your vits work for you, why knock the industry? Read other posts about the bad apples.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:25 PM
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25. Oh I think they're mostly useless, yes.
I also think only seedy snake-oil salesment are the people who worry about safety regulations.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:04 PM
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31. Here's the deal Einstein..
This is all about making sure that all of the profits to be made in this industry will go to the big pharmaceutical companies.

And yes, it is a conspiracy, just like all of the other fascist adventures being undertaken by the chimp administration.

If you have any questions, just let me know. :D
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:25 PM
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33. Yeah. They're gonna leave us with only toxic drugs and ban our lovely vitamins!
If you're not interested in drinking from your golden fountain, you can drink from mine.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:42 PM
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5. Okay...can you explain what is wrong with this?
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 05:43 PM by Evoman
I'm not getting it....it seems to me that they are trying to make sure the dietary supplements a)have what they say they have in them and b)are safe and C) do what the company say they do.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:02 PM
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17. NOt exactly.
They are trying to put HEALTH FOOD STORES out of business. I believe if they have a complaint against a company, they should follow up on it, but don't shut down an entire industry just cuz they found a bad apple. If the situation was reversed! HA!
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:07 PM
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20. The idea is not to have people get healthy...
the idea is to have them dependent on big pharma.

Why else would they constrict products to maintain health and push meds 24/7? "Ask your doctor if this Rx is for you!"


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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:35 PM
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32. If the situation was reversed?
As far as I've read, all the requirements the FDA would require of these dietary supplements they already require for pharmaceuticals companies.

Why the double standard? I mean, pharmaceuticals are "companies". Why should they have to do clinical trials or tests or whatever? Why don't you want oversight?

"I believe if they have a complaint against a company, they should follow up on it, but don't shut down an entire industry"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are not "shutting down the industry". They are just requiring testing and other criteria from these companies. Should we just "trust" pharmaceuticals and just follow up when they fuck up, instead of making them prove the safety of their products before they hand their meds out? Why should it be different for these supplement companies? Because they seem like really nice people? HA.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:46 PM
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6. Yeah, they weren't too happy with DSHEA
and have spent the last 10 years finding other ways to destroy the supplement industry. For those who don't know, DSHEA (Dietary Health Supplement Education Act) was passed as a result of one of the largest grassroots lobbying efforts ever (Bill Richardson sponsored the bill). I know some DU-ers like to bag on supplements, but as a user and a formerly a part of the supplement industry, I can tell you that the most of the industry is small business and above-board in their practices. There are some hucksters that ruin it for everybody (like any other industry). And the people who use supplements tend to be very educated and savvy consumers. Even if you don't agree with the "science," consumers have a right to choose how they care for themselves. Plus, most of these supplements are designed to keep you well, so you can't compare it to a clinical study of how a drug would make sick people better. There are tight restrictions on labeling and advertising claims - thanks to DSHEA. That's why you often see a single-herb item on the shelf and wonder "what the heck is that for?" The reputable supplement makers are already transparent about their manufacturing practices. Many of the testing and re-testing done is completely unnecessary. The companies that will survive this are the ones who use cheap and low-quality products and cut corners other ways to cover these costs. This bites.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:03 PM
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18. THANKS, RUCKY!
You explained it well!
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:46 PM
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7. As I have said before, it's all about the big money.
Some Republicans will be very upset by this as well.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:55 PM
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12. I know sooooo many people who are going to FREAK if they can't get herbal supplements.
The FDA began their revolving door policy with the drug industry during the Clinton administration and nobody stopped them (and I'm not blaming Bill). Now we reap what was sown right in front of us.

If we get the House and Senate we have been dreaming of, they're going to be incredibly busy cleaning up this mess.
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:59 PM
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14. The FDA is not our friend
It has been co-opted by big business.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:04 PM
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19. I don't know what the final rule change really is, but if, as is intimated in
this post, is to force them to test each production batch to make sure it contains what they claim it does and in the claimed quantities isn't a problem that I know of! I worked for 13 years for a suplement mfg. and NOTHING left out plant without going through a batch test in the lab to insure all of that.

I'm sure no fan of the FDA, but I don't see any problem with this ruling. Unless there's more to it than I now understand, it sounds fine.

I'm sorry if some small businesses might not be able to survive with this new requirement, but if they can't even test their product to insure conformance with their claims, then they shouldn't be in that business at all.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:19 PM
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22. It kills the small-batch manufacturers.
Who already run on tight margins, but tend to distribute higher-quality products. A random sampling audit, as a percentage of production, should be fine.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:19 PM
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23. I haven't thought of them as "the good guys" in decades
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:26 PM
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26. Relegated to the Health forum once again.
Anything to hide the truth about Building Seven.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:30 PM
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28. Oh hello....and here we are...moved against our will....
That was fun while it lasted......

This seemed like a nice GD discussion, but clearly, what do I know??
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:30 PM
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27. The EU went through a similar process in the past couple of years
and I can still buy all the supplements, herbs, and homeopathic remedies I want to here.

I did notice that some small companies were merged into larger ones, but the products for consumers are still all basically available. Since the introduction of the Euro all prices have risen for everything, so I don't notice that this regulation itself has caused price increases.

I also support good regulation on labelling and claims.

Very thankful that we are not bombarded by advertisements of pharmaceuticals either.

DemEx
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:32 PM
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29. Hi DemEX...glad you can still get your supplements
and all. I was wondering about that. Good news then. :)

:hi::loveya:How ya doin??:hug:
DR
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:35 PM
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30. Hi, dear DR.....
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 06:37 PM by DemExpat
We were relieved here about this, as you can imagine. Just as worried as you are there....

Perhaps the standard here was already acceptable, as no products (that I know of) have been taken off the market except for Kava, and business in supplements/herbs is certainly not faltering.

:hi: :hug:

DemEx
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:51 AM
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37. What are you saying?
That we SHOULDN'T scream and panic and yell at the FDA stooges here?!?!? No way!!!!! :eyes:
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:49 PM
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34. Reads like a hit piece.
Lots of equivocation and freeloading terms.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:10 AM
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35. That's absolutely hilarious!
I used to believe that anyone who used phrases like "...usher in Codex and the New World Order." was a member of the loony toons extreme right wing. Now I see that extremism and paranoia are not limited to the right wing.

I realize that it is unkind to laugh at other people's inability to tell fact from fiction, but I just can't help myself!


:rofl:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:49 AM
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36. Still think that everyone outside the FDA is a good guy?
Sheesh what ridiculous all-or-none thinking. Good luck with those strawmen.
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chicagomd Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:53 AM
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38. Speculation at best...
"No doubt, the FDA will impose user fees as an additional charge so that FDA agents will have the funding required to enforce the regulations. Under the new rule any flaw in bookkeeping can result in a company's products being declared adulterated, allowing the FDA to remove them from the market even though nothing is wrong with them!"

And talk about some good old fashion fear mongering:

"Thus, the FDA is intentionally seeking to shrink the size of the dietary supplement industry and reduce the influence of safe and effective options to improve the dreadful trend in the health of Americans. The goal is to leave toxic drugs as the primary health option."

And for the love of all that is holy, a "news article" from Mike Adam's website? He is almost as fair and balanced as Fox news when it comes to this stuff.

Why don't all these poor little companies, who are making millions off unsubstantiated health claims, just get together, and sue the FDA? I mean they are being so "completely Anti-American".
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