My "Pain "management "doctor looked at me while I was almost doubled

[Maraya1969]

over in pain from dyspepsia and would not treat it because it was not in my back.

EDIT to add the address

http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/294/main.html

"The chronic recurrence and persistence of crippling dyspeptic symptoms disrupt the lives of many Americans. People suffering from the most severe symptoms can become disabled enough to miss work. Frequent doctors' visits and expensive diagnostic procedures can create a financial drain. In addition, many unnecessary operations are performed in an attempt to relieve the painful symptoms. Unfortunately, despite the surgery, many patients continue to suffer from the symptoms of dyspepsia.

The causes of dyspepsia are many, and some of them are not clearly understood. Too often, dyspepsia has been dismissed as a psychosomatic disorder. However, in recent years, doctors have begun to realize that dyspepsia is often the result of a malfunctioning of either the nervous system or the muscular activity of the stomach or small intestine."

I've been to many gastrointestinal doctors and all they can offer me are fucking antacids and Zelnom, (some sort of constipation drug that I read should not be taken for a long length of time....which will not help since I get this for months on end.)

This doctor has me on a long acting morphine type drug, (Kadian) but I am on almost the lowest dose you can be on.

I don't know what to do. The only way this has gone away in the past is for me to take Lortabs or something like it 4 or 5 times a day until the pain cycles goes away, (I take a laxative with it)

But he knows better the fucking shithead.

I think I'm going to find a doctor that will just prescribe the pain medicine I need and I'm to the point where I don't care where that is. I know when I first started with this doctor and he had me on Lortabs 4 times a day the stomach problems went away and stayed away until recently.

This country sucks when it comes to pain management. I've literally broken down and got some drugs from a friend but I've paid for them, (unbelievably expensive.....they really fuck you these people and this guy has been my "friend" for a long time. If I'm going to get in trouble for posting this someone please tell me. It's not like I am buying heroin off the streets though and I'm not cooking methamphetamine in my kitchen.

I hear some states have to treat you for pain.

He also put me down for looking things up on the internet as if he was the only one who should be dissemination information.

Well jackass if your so smart why am I laying here with pain so bad I feel like I want to kill myself sometimes because of it?

[roody]

1. Have you tried marijuana?

[Maraya1969]

6. When I was a kid, (13) I smoked it but had a really bad reaction.

It gave me something like a panic attack, (which I was to suffer later in life).

The unreality feeling it gave me was awful. If I knew it would not do that again I would try it.

[Crunchy Frog]

19. I had that exact same reaction when I tried it at age 16.

I haven't encountered many people who have had such an experience, or who understand what I'm talking about when I describe it.

Good luck on finding a decent doctor.

[grasswire]

2. doctors don't like patients to read up on the Internet

That seems to be common.

Please tell me the physical symptoms of dyspepsia.

[Maraya1969]

4. I just posted the link. The information in parenthesis comes from that site.

[cosmik debris]

17. You must have a terrible doctor

My doctor loves it when I do my homework and when I am able to carry on an intelligent conversation. You should not settle for doctors like you describe.

Of course doctors do hate it when crack-pots read two articles from a dietary supplement magazine and then act as if they know more than the doctor does.

Patients who don't understand that they are not doctors are just annoying pricks. If you want to be an MD, go to med school, not Google U.

[trotsky]

28. Hey, what's wrong with Google U?

All the most *knowledgeable* Health Scare Forum patrons got their degree from it!

[Maraya1969]

30. My closest relative is the same type of doctor this one is but she lives

in another state and I don't think she'd treat me if she lived in this state anyway.

But she talks to me like I am an intelligent adult who has done her homework and can offer her information, (specialized doctors sometimes don't know a lot of information about other problems...hence the "I can't help you even though you are doubled over in pain and I am a pain management doctor") But she is into a lot of holistic medicine because her illness, (rheumatoid arthritis) is hard to treat without immune suppressants. She also uses a lot of acupuncture in her practice.

She mentioned a book that she is reading about the mind body connection. It's called "The Divided mind". I may read it after I finish the book I am reading now.

[cosmik debris]

32. Well, if you need help paying for your treatment

I have this friend in Nigeria who is trying to get $3.2 million out of the country. He will split it with you if you will email him your bank acct. info.

[Maraya1969]

37. Well fuck you. I've had 2 scoped down my throat in the last 10 years.

I only 2 years ago and I've had the same symptoms for year.

Are you a fucking doctor or just a fucking jack ass? Why don't you go to Nigeria? You seem to be one great big gallstone.

[poebango]

3. Tramacet

Tell your doctor you want him to prescribe you Tramacet and try it. After years of pain from dyspepsia, acid reflux, costocondritis (AAAAGGH) and doctors constantly just prescribing me glorified Tums, my doctor in Mexico prescribed me Tramacet. And lo and behold, it actually works. It is also a pain killer, but it doesn't make you feel drowsy or goofy. My mother and my ex also get severe chest acid knots, and I gave some to them and now they use it as well. As for your stupid doctor, I NEVER trust the doctor's diagnosis. I do all my health research on the internet. Doctor's just go to med school once. They rarely keep up with things and they're egos are so huge, they will gladly sacrifice your health rather than admit they don't know everything.

Good luck! I hope you find relief soon. I totally understand how terrible it is to be in constant pain and discomfort.

[Maraya1969]

7. I will look that up thanks! I think the doctor I am going to try and

see next is open to prescribing drugs without being a paranoid freak about everything, (I realize the government is behind this)

[poebango]

9. Here is a link

http://bodyandhealth.canada.com/drug_info_details.asp?brand_name_id=4793&rot=4

I linked to a Canadian health web site because they are more rational about these things. You will see that it SOUNDS like a very strong medication and the fact is American doctors won't prescribe pain medication. I know this well. When my friend Jean was in the final stages of breast cancer, they were STILL more worried about her getting addicted then in helping her through the unspeakable pain she was suffering. I am little and so I often react strongly to medications. Not only did I experience immediately relief with this, but I suffered no side effects. I began having to take it less and less until eventually, my dyspepsia actually almost totally went away. I have an attack only rarely now and just take one when I do -- and then it's over.

[Maraya1969]

11. You can take Tramadol also, (just read up on Tramacett). I would recommend

that because it doesn't have the tylenol in it. I don't think there is enough said about how hard tylenol is on the liver. That is why the doctor prescribed lortabs and narco instead of vicoin because Vicondin has a lot of tylenol in it. If you are going to just take one or two a day i suppose it wouldn't hurt but a constant supply is not good.

[poebango]

13. I totally agree

Unless you are terminal, a constant supply of any narcotic, pain medication etc... is not at all what you want to do. I just found that I only took it for a few days and felt huge relief. And then I was just taking it intermittently as I needed it. Then eventually, maybe like twice a year because the chronic condition itself went away.

[Maraya1969]

31. Can you get it without a script or by talking to their doctore?

[Maraya1969]

41. Thank you so much for understanding. Doctors either don't know or don't care

about the pain of stomach problems. I'd like to meet one that has had them and maybe they'd be more compassionate.

[Webster Green]

5. Thank the cold-hearted thugs at the DEA..

Doctors are under the thumb of the corrupt and sadistic federal government, and their phony-baloney drug war. :mad:

[angstlessk]

8. had my first stomach pain at age 17, had upper and lower gi's

swallowed a scope, been to the emergency room and my sister's MIL who was a peadiatric nurse told my sis they thouht I was a drug addict looking for free pain killers because I looked yellow, and she, knowing me, said it could also be a gall bladder problem. (that was when I was 20 years old) to make a long story short,fast forward 30 years (at age 50) I finally got the diagnosis...a gall stone..turns out it was the size of a golf ball!!! I suffered for so long I even took some psychotropic drugs (tranquilizer type) from a friend and had a seizure trying to stop the pain...

[Maraya1969]

10. I've done the natural treatment for gallstones several times and I think

I passed a bunch of them although I'm not going to dissect them thank you very much. :(

When I do the treatment I notice that the fullness under my right ribs goes away. But I still get fullness further down.

Did your sister get her gallbladder out and does she recommend it? I can't find any other treatment in the regular medicine sites except surgery.

[poebango]

14. Surgery

I know you weren't asking me the question, but this thread is very relevant to me. Until my mother actually had her gallbladder removed, she was sick constantly. It changed her life when she had it removed. She realized that it had been causing her many different types of symptoms over the years, including bouts of chronic fatigue. I'm not a fan of going under the knife unless it really is the best thing to do.

[angstlessk]

21. agree totally...changed my life overnight...from constant chronic pain

which can frikcing wear a person out..many lost nights of sleep..cause it often the intense pain occured at 2:00 Am and would not stop till 7 or 8 the next morning...exhaustion.

surgery is not fun..I was quite afraid to go under, but not regretful!

[angstlessk]

20. I was the one with the gallstones and my gall bladder along with the stone

was removed via laproscopy (sp???) my belly button and a small (4 or 5 inch) cut in the middle of my stomach, just below my breast and the Doc wanted to stop the lap thingy and operate, but the techs convinced him he could remove it with the lap thingy..and he did..I think it was in some sort of journal as the largest one (stone or bladder???) to be removed by the lap thingy...it was photographed and documented so I reoon my gall bladder is in some medical journal???

[poebango]

23. Your gallbladder is famous!

Cool! :toast: But seriously, I'm glad you were able to solve the problem. For sure, sometimes surgery is the best thing (as with my mom). Glad you're feeling better! I hope your ex-gallbladder doesn't get a big head and start acting all superior...

[angstlessk]

25. LOL..think it's been beheaded..I got the head beside my bed...

:rofl: :toast:

[angstlessk]

24. like Warpy said..get diagnosed with a GI specialist...

remember AG Ashcroft..almost died from pancreatitis (sp?) cause he ignored his symptons too long...get ye to a good GI doc!!!

[cosmik debris]

26. That's possibly the stupidest post in this forum

You tried natural remedies and they were not satisfactory.

You looked at internet websites and that was not satisfactory either.

If you really believe that you have found the best way to deal with your health issues, you have my sympathy. But there are MUCH better ways. I'm sorry you can't find them.

[Maraya1969]

34. You don't have to add a personal insult when talking to me. I understand

English you know. Personal attacks are just unnecessary and mean.

[poebango]

12. Misdiagnosis of Gallstones is so common

Same thing happened to my mother. And when I was trying to self-diagnose symptoms I was suffering from (yes, the internet again, god bless it), one of the things I told my doctor to check was to see if I had gallstones. It turned out I'd been carrying around this hideous parasite that I picked up in Nepal for a year and a half, but the symptoms mimicked gallstones. I feel badly for what happened to you. I wasn't diagnosed for over a year and a half and my 12-year old Kaiser doctors just dismissed me and wanted to give me prozac. I was like, dude, I'm anxious because I haven't fucking felt good in over a year! There's something PHYSICALLY wrong with me. And there was. But no thanks to them, and again, thanks to the internet, I was able to heal myself. I just realized I must sound like a huge hypochondriac (I'm really just a little one ;) But, seriously, I've learned to be pro-active on the internet with your health issues, and then bringing your research to your doctor and FORCING him (or her) to work with you.

[angstlessk]

22. turns out one can diagnose gall stones using ultra sound...all those gi's could have been

prevented with a simple ultra sound...

[lizerdbits]

33. Anyone who is ill after international travel

should probably see an infectious disease specialist. Most diseases we'll pick up in other countries might not be recognized by a GP. Most of them will never see those diseases in their lifetime because a lot of those organisms don't even exist in this country.

[Warpy]

15. Get a referral to a GI doc

and be evaluated for dyspepsia versus biliary spasms versus gallstones versus a dozen other things.

Your pain doc is right not to treat that kind of pain. It's not his specialty and just masking the pain is not a good idea.

Depending on what's causing it, you could need anything from a proton pump inhibitor drug to a change of pain med to gallbladder surgery.

Pain like that can be serious. Please get it evaluated ASAP and good luck.

[midnight]

16. I have been recently told that the Nurses in America have

defined pain as the fifth vital sign. What does this mean? They have to ask you on a scale of 1-10, ten being the most severe how are you feeling. It is not a law but it needs to be addressed. But it sure looks sloppy to ignore a vital sign warning. Office managers are usually nurses. Ask for their assistance.

Temperature
Pulse
Blood Pressure
Respirations
Pain

American Doctors have received a low grade from the Institiutes on Health for their neglectful doctoring skills.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

18. Entertropic therapy is amazing

you can read about it here:


http://futurevisionsfoundation.org/fv6.html

I've had a treatment done when I was in acute pain (from a fall) and saw immediate results--pain and swelling subsided, and I could walk without limping.

But then the doctor who does this believes in helping folks and treating the whole person. She's not the "it isn't my field" type of MD.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

27. Not to be a jerk here.

Pain management is getting better in this country and less stigmatized. In your case though it is exceedingly rare to prescribe narcotics for abdominal pain of any sort. Were you on the Kadian for another problem? None of the literature that I looked at indicated narcotics as a treatment option for dyspepsia and another poster was correct that DEA crackdowns have made doctors much less likely to prescribe narcotics for anything that might even slightly be considered non standard treatment. I would seriously get a good GI doctor and find out what's causing this. Dyspepsia is usually described as mild to moderate abdominal pain. You have to understand to that doctors are taught that abdominal pain is caused by something and that if you give these patients narcotics that will simply mask the pain without correcting the problem. Have you been successful in isolating any causes in your diet or lifestyle? I hope you find some relief, chronic pain sucks.


David

[Maraya1969]

35. Ripped disk in my neck along with herniated ones and arthritis. He wants

me to have surgery. The shots he gave me in my spine have helped a lot with my neck but I'm afraid of taking too much prednisone too because it can cause me to get manic.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

38. You really need to see a good GI doc.

Prednisone can work great, but I agree that it is best in limited quantities spread out over time the longer the better. So he put you on the Kadian after the injections and took you off the lortab? Anyway I hope you get some relief.

David

[Maraya1969]

40. Exactly. Except prednisone is bad unless I am having a bad asthma

attack in which case I have little choice. Prednisone messes with the bipolar. The GI doctor gave me Zelnom which I am afraid to take because it says it is only for short term relief and he wanted me to take it for a long time. These new medications scare me.

I feel a little better today. Thanks for understanding.

[trotsky]

29. A few points

1) I am very sorry you are experiencing such extreme pain. It sucks, and I hope you can find a way to alleviate it.
2) Many doctors are rightly annoyed when a patient begins rattling off stuff s/he read on the Internets. There's a LOT of misinformation out there, and you do have to keep in mind that even if you could read all the medical texts and cases online that a person who goes to medical school does, you still wouldn't be a doctor. Not even close.
3) As FMD notes above, it's not always safe or right to shove pain medication down your gullet. Maybe your doctor knew this was one of those cases.
4) And as a final note, if the FDA/"Big Pharma"/doctors are all about pill-pushing and profit-making, I wonder why your doctor DIDN'T just throw an expensive prescription at you to meet his monthly quota? Things that make you go hmmm....

[Maraya1969]

36. My doctor actually said something about the govenment not letting

him prescribe ....... (can't remember the exact words). He can prescribe all he wants for my back and that's what the Kadian is for. And it is morphine but it is long acting and it doesn't seem to work.

[Sanity Claws]

39. How about Traditional Chinese Medicine?

TCM practitioners have an entirely different approach and may be able to help get rid of the underlying problem with herbs and nutrition.
If you hate the care that western medicine is providing, you might as well try something different.