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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:48 AM
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Univ of NC fraternity sues for "right" to ban Jews, homosexuals and WINS
This is the opening salvo in a big story. It's a setup by a background organization planning to take it all the way to the Supreme court in order to fight anti-discrimination law.

The story is in two parts at Pandagon:

Reader Niky R. wrote to tell my about something he found troubling. He says, "My school, the University of North Carolina, has been fighting a 'fraternity' that claims the right to discriminate against non-Christians ... the new frat seems to be mainly a cover for a radical-right challenge in the courts to nondiscrimination policies across the country."

Niky thinks that this deserves more attention -- and I agree.

My research indicates that the fraternity is the creation of a megachurch founded by a former member of the cult-like Maranatha Ministry.

And the non-profit doing the suing (a group founded by James Dobson, D. James Kennedy, etc.) gave presentations to campus Christian groups, challenging them to fight their school's non-discrimination policies so they'd get suspended and the group could sue on their behalf, hopefully taking the case all the way to the Supreme Court.

And this week the fraternity won an injuction that is being touted as a victory for Christianity and conservatism, in that it gives them the right to discriminate against homosexuals and non-Christians.

Don't you hate being the victim of a scam?


(snip -- much more in the two links, Part I and Part II)

The Little Frat That Sued - Pt. 1:
http://www.pandagon.net/mtarchives/004710.html#more

The Little Frat That Sued - Pt. 2:
http://www.pandagon.net/mtarchives/004711.html


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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:53 AM
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1. and it's in the south too.
:puke:
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BlueTarheel Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:33 AM
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7. I'm from NC and graduated from UNC-Chapel Hill and
these hypocrites are not representative of the school or the state or the South.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:00 AM
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2. So much is being undone recently.
Religious organizations will be allowed to discriminate in hiring, yet still receive tax exemption.

Going backwards is very sad.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:04 AM
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3. And that is why we have to FIGHT
This UNC Frat story is coming out before the behind-the-scenes backers of the suit wanted it to. We can get the word out about this.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:16 AM
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4. oh those hypocrites!
THEY(RW) talk about"radical" judges rewriting laws over frivolous lawsuits..Fukkkin' hypocrites!!

Someday the right wing is going to push people too far than they will get the smack-down they should have gotten long ago when they infiltrated the GOP and started manipulating through churches. Asshole fascists. They don't stop seeking to twist hearts and minds unless they are forced to stop by a culture that does not tolerate bullying and bigots on any rationalizations including"religion".
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Yosie Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:28 AM
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5. RWers are a subversive fifth column eating into the entrails of
America like a deadly cancer -- and enlisting (innocent and not so innocent) dupes and fellow travelers into a popular front to destroy America.

And James Dobson is NOT an INNOCENT dupe.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:31 AM
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6. That describes it well.
Amazing that we can't make progress. We have to fight against retrogression. Fighting the same battles anew.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:35 AM
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8. The right wing evil has pushed too far
They want this government a theocratic right wing government and they'll shove it in our faces. Like Bush, it's their way or the hiway. But they still want us to pay taxes to support their theocracy. Blank them big time.

Bush has pushed the envelope a touch too far.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:57 AM
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9. Stomp bullies
When they rear their control freak heads,

Because if you"tolerate an abuser you just end up more hurt.
If you ignore a narcissist they'll hurt you,
If you discount an authoritarian he'll try to dominate you until you ruin him so badly he cannot EVER marshal his sycophants without being seen for the ass-wipe he is.

Dodson the greedy elitist GOP making people suffer,any bully they all have the same personality disorder.

And that sickness in them will not let them live and let live..

Fuck the alpha male abuser /entitlement mentality that some people have..I say get rid of the whole dominator class because it is destructive,a destroyer of peace and happiness for many,it's regressive, it is a throwback to the chicken yard pecking order and wolf pack stupidity of a sick warped survival of the fittest winner take all poison that did not exist for humans.Sociopaths cannot exist in a society and they should not be trusted in positions of power..yet they ARE there..and they must be stopped before they kill us all..The notion of dominance has no reason or right to exist in a society that is sane enough to prefer resolving conflicts,is egalitarian and diverse and more oriented to sharing happiness than winning a game....Domination by a bully is ALWAYS incompatible with democracy,and it is NOT the democratic societies fault these fucked up bully personalities cannot live and let live..It's ALWAYS the bully who's the problem....I say this because if people in a culture who are hurt by bullies do not stop a bully right when they break a social boundary they will break more boundaries and play more games so they can dominate society just like the neoCONS do,just because they can get away with it,they think they "win" This happens because NO one stood up and told them they can't abuse people like they do.PC was in it's most sane form a way to curb verbal ABUSE by bullies twords minorities that historically have been bully targets.Now the bullies have redefined PC...and they play victim just like a sociopath.And the stupid public buys it just like an enabler in a dysfunctional abusive home!

I don't give a shit what the Wingnut bullies excuses are...They are sick . Dodson,Phelps Falwell all of them are sick in a way that DAMAGES Entire Cultures..They're bullies .
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 07:28 PM
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10. reposted in the GLBT Forum and LOTS MORE INFO in the thread
An amazing amont of info is now available on this case. We also have the case name and a PDF fiile of the full text of the Judge's ruling. There is also much more info on the organization behind this action, Alliance Defense Fund. If you are interested in this matter and the wider campaign it represents, I urge you to read through the thread in the GLBT forum, which starts with the same OP but gets more interesting thereafter:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x8514

I am still looking for someone to watch this case's developments. In the other thread someone said that this could be done using the case's name and LexisNexis or Westlaw.

I also strongly recommend reading ALL of the two Pandagon reports in the OP and following some of the links, especially in the second ones. There are some excellent resources there.
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