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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:37 PM
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Is it true 'half of Americans don't believe in evolution'?
I can't believe that National Geographic actually thinks this. Then again, the source of the article is from a conservative Christian site. I was doing a search for the big bank theory and disproving it. I had seen an article in a Science mag about 6 months ago about a group of scientists that were proving that there was no singular point in time and came across this:

Obviously, National Geographic (hereafter simply NG) thinks that a significant percentage of their readers are slipping in their faith in evolution and need a remedial course in the some of the abundant, various, ever increasing, solidly interconnected, and easily available evidence (p. 8). NG admits that nearly half of Americans dont believe in evolution, due in part to Scriptural literalism and the proselytizing work of young-earth creationist and intelligent design proponents (p. 6). They also blame it on honest confusion and ignorance; but given that the popular science magazines, the mass media and the educational establishment are controlled by evolutionists, evolutionists have no one to blame but themselves for this alleged confusion and ignorance.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/1106ng.asp

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:40 PM
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1. No, that's wrong. I'm sure it's more!
Seriously. I seem to recall figures that a majority of people believe in cretinism. Oops, did I misspell that?
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:38 PM
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24. It can't be right, surely.
John Kerry got 48% of the vote. I can't imagine more than about 5% of creationists voted for him, so that would leave him winning of the order of 95% of the evolutionist vote. That would be encouraging, but I don't believe it for a minute.

Surely this is wrong. Surely?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:21 PM
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27. Latest figures
"God created humans in present form":
All Americans 55%
Kerry voters 47%
Bush voters 67%

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:40 PM
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2. Half from a CC site?
And you find the source credible?

Stop.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:41 PM
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3. Don't overestimate people
Yes. A shockingly large number of people don't believe in evolution in this country.
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:44 PM
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4. What's shocking is that they're blaming the media and schools for this
I can't believe they think that it is evolutionists failure to properly educate about evolution when they're the ones sending out this crazy theory about ribs, serpents, and apples:freak:
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TaraMoon Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 09:57 PM
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32. Absolutely true
I would bet that well over half of the people in this country don't believe in Evolution and even more than that don't know that it doesn't say we descended from monkeys.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:44 PM
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5. So half of them were stupid enough to vote for Bush
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 04:45 PM by Uncle_Ho_Ho
I find the arguments about scriptural literalism being a bit incorrect, because consevatives are rather selective in what they decide should be taken literally. After all Christ said that in order to be saved a rich person had to take all they had and give it to the poor.
I find that in economic matters, they decide that a less than literal inmterpretation is always justified, whle when it come to other things, litealism is the case.

It is the typical case of conservative inconsistancy.
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SouthPasadenaDem Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:45 PM
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6. Yeah, it's shocking.
I was talking to my 72-year old father recently, and he said "You know, if you told me when I was in high school (late 40's) that in fifty years, half the population would not believe in evolution, I would have told you that you were crazy. There was nobody who didn't believe in evolution, or if they didn't believe in evolution, they kept it to themselves because they would have been embarrassed so badly by the public ridicule."

Wow.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:52 PM
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9. Unless you were a wealthy white man...
Back then, you were essentially considered a second class citizen. Blacks and women did not have the freedom that the do today. So in that sense it's not shocking that "most people" believed in evolution.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:46 PM
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7. I do believe in evolution...
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 04:46 PM by physioex
But I don't care what some one else does, as long as they don't force it on me.

There are many scientists and physicsts that are working on such theories like Stephen Hawking. The problem with science is that doens't give people easy answers and many people find that uncomfortable. First thing that people have to be taught is that the only thing that is certain is uncertainty. What is thought as "science" today will be seen as bullshit a few centuries from now. Like politicsand SUV's, your beliefs are simply easier when you go with your reptilian instincts (ID) rather than your super ego.
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:55 PM
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10. In SC they've put stickers in the biology books
"evolution is only a theory, not a fact"! What's that about? If the RWCC can do that in all school books, then what can kids hold as truths? Just God? Can we put stickers in the church bibles: "Creationism is only a belief system that cannot be proven"?
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:09 PM
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18. I am aware of these things...
But change is slow. Liberalism wants quick change and conservatism slows it down. Galelio was thrown in jail for suggesting that gravity attracts all objects equally and that earth was NOT the center of the universe. So give it time, I tend to think that the only constant is change. An like the Virginia Slims ad says "You've come a long way baby".
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TaraMoon Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:01 PM
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33. Slowing down or turning the clock back?
The fundamentalists are not just slowing down progressive
thought and action, they are turning the clock back. We can
not afford to be patient. We must fight this movement. It
poses a very real threat to us.
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sdfernando Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:51 PM
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8. I believe that statistic
I've met a lot of people who either don't believe it or are ignorant of the theory of evolution...don't they teach this in school anymore...nevermind, I just figured THAT out.

I've also met a few SANE individuals who are deep in their faith but are of the opinion that GOD created man and evolution is the way he did it. I was intrigued when I first heard this, so I asked: In SIX days??? Their answer was to quote from the Bible (sorry I don't know the chapter or verse) something to the effect that: A day to the Lord is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day.

Well that puts it at 6000 years, certainly enough time to get the rudimentary human animal started don't you think?
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:01 PM
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12. I've heard that one before
When I was in high school a hard core christian friend of mine told me the same thing. I still didn't buy it. And now with the DNA map, and it's consistency among all creatures doesn't that help prove that we all evolved from the same original gene pool?
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TaraMoon Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:09 PM
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34. Intelligent Design Spin
That's Intelligent Design theory and it's the latest attempt
by the Religious Right to do an end run around science in the
classrooms. Almost all young-earth creationist materials are
produced by Institute for Creation Research in Santee,
California. It's a cinderblock building about the size of a
large Kinkos. They have a "science" program that
issues degrees in hard sciences. However, the faculty must
sign an agreement to hold the Bible as the ultimate authority
and not teach anything that conflicts with it and students
must sign an agreement saying they accept the Bible as the
ultimate authority. In other words, they teach pseudo-science
and try to pass it off as science. All their courses are
lecture. They do no lab work and no field work.  Now,
Institute for Creation Research is pushing (although not
publishing) Intelligent Design Theory to suck in people too
sophisticated to buy strict Creationism but not sophisticated
enough to realize that it is just Creationism with
scientific-sounding terminology.  The Director of Institute
for Creation Research has said that their agenda is to get
Intelligent Design taught in schools as a way to pave the way
for blatant Creation.  For those who don't know, Intelligent
Design is the theory that an "intelligent designer"
(ie. God) created evolution and everything else. 
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 04:59 PM
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11. Evolution is independent of belief. Much like gravity.
Which is also hardly understood, but also undeniable.
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:02 PM
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13. but aren't religious beliefs restricted from entering our public schools?
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:05 PM
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15. Only proselytizing is forbidden.
The main purpose of the seperation was to keep the State out of the Church.

A survey of Religion is not outlawed.
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:17 PM
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19. Which brings to mind all of these tax exempt church organizations
promoting Bush and telling their paritioners to vote their moral values, ie Bush!
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:21 PM
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29. Absolutely right.
Evolution is totally independent of belief. It is not a faith issue. It is based on solid observation and repeatable laboratory testing. It is also predictive which is a hallmark of good science.

I like to ask creationists how their belief can predict changes. They do not understand the word "theory". They think it means "hypothesis".
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TaraMoon Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:13 PM
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35. Dark Ages Part II
Unfortunately, we're going to find that most school board
members also think a scientific theory is a hypothesis. 
Intelligent Design is almost certainly going to prevail.
Welcome to Dark Ages Part II
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:04 PM
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14. I believe that half of Americans
have NOT participated in evolution and are instead devolving into sheep! ;)

How's that for a theory? Where's can we get funding for my study? :D
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:07 PM
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17. "Whip it...
Whip it good."
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:06 PM
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16. Half of Americans don't believe in evolution
Of the half that don't believe in evolution, half of them don't give a sh!7 one way or the other. And of the ones left a good percentage of them couldn't tell you the difference between evolution and creationism. But not to worry, Bush will leave no child behind.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:11 AM
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20. Hell, half of Amurricans don't believe in GRAVITY! n/t
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 04:11 AM
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22. Since that half believes in the story of Genesis....
women should be alarmed. Because the Bible blames Eve for all of humankind's suffering. Just like in the Middle East, women will be subordinated.
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JoshWatermanMN Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:02 PM
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21. I believe it
My parents aren't particularly religious (in that they are non-denominational), and they do not believe in evolution. Believe me, growing up as a young agnostic before the web was tough in that household.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:20 AM
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23. 45% believe God created humans in the last 10,000 years
Gallup, Nov 19th, 2004

Only about a third of Americans believe that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is a scientific theory that has been well supported by the evidence, while just as many say that it is just one of many theories and has not been supported by the evidence. The rest say they don't know enough to say. Forty-five percent of Americans also believe that God created human beings pretty much in their present form about 10,000 years ago. A third of Americans are biblical literalists who believe that the Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally, word for word.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/login.aspx?ci=14107
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:53 PM
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25. I've said it before and I'll say it again - People are DUMB
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seaj11 Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 05:08 PM
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26. I wouldn't doubt it.
Although not believing in evolution and believing in creationism are not the same thing, the numbers for one might indicate the numbers for the other. According to Tim Berra's Evolution and the Myth of Creationism, in one study of undergraduates in 3 states, more than one-half said they were creationists. Berra also points out that American students rank among the lowest in geography, science, and mathematics out of all industrialized nations. Let's face it: ours is a generally anti-intellectual society. Even the administration ignores hard science!
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CheckyPantz Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 03:31 AM
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28. Study incompleteness?
I'd be curious to see if, in all of these polls and studies, if the term "creationism" is being defined? I could see this as a source of confusion for some. While creationism generally refers to the literal interpretation of Genesis and a 6,000-year old universe, some folks might misinterpret the question to mean something along the lines of "do you believe God created the Universe?" That leaves some ambiguity, and allows people to respond positively without actually believing in something that has the exact opposite of scientific validity.
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seaj11 Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:39 PM
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31. Good point.
Some studies probably are deliberately ambiguous in their questions. I don't know how the question in this particular study was worded. But performance in science and math can be objectively measured, and in those areas American youth is in a sorry state. I wonder: does the belief in or propaganda about creationism cause that, or does that cause the belief in creationism? Or are they completely separate?
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TaraMoon Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:19 PM
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36. Grasping at Straws
Nice straw grasp but you need only attempt to discuss this
topic with the people you encounter on a daily basis (unless
you're a scientist) to discover that people believe
Creationism is exactly what the fundies mean by it.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:58 PM
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30. Yes, people are stupid.
Many people don't seem to understand that there is nothing contradictory about evolution and the concept that we were created by God.
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TaraMoon Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 10:22 PM
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37. Uh...that's Intelligent Design Theory
Uh...that's Intelligent Design Theory and nothing more than
disguised Creationism.  
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