Calling ALL Christian DUers! We must stand up and denounce the

[Amy6627]

Religious Right. They are not only destroying our country, but distorting Christianity beyond recognition.

We can't afford to be silent anymore. We must tell and show people what real Christians are about, everyday.

I am begging every Christian out there to write a letter to the editor, call a radio station, etc. TODAY to explain what is wrong with the Religious Right and how true Christians do not believe in the same things as these fanatics protesting outside Terri Shiavo's hospital.

Besides our country we have to take back Christianity!

Here is a fabulous website to check out: http://liberalslikechrist.org/churchstate/index.htm

[GetTheRightVote]

1. The RW religions nuts are harming our country & freedoms

They are destoring the foundation of this country with their judgemental aditudes toward people who do not think or believe the same as they do, we are a country of freedoms, speech, writing, reading, yet they continue to demand we follow their beliefs without these freedoms expressed. They are very unAmerican and are spitting on the beliefs of our fore-fathers period.

:kick:

[Az_lefty]

2. Right Wing Taliban....

they call themselves Christian, but site Old Testament passages to justify their anger and hatred.

[renaissanceguy]

23. So true. They can't even cite anything Jesus said

because they can't live up to his teachings.


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.14746026

[Tux]

3. Good try

But they won't do it. Christians tend to be scared to think for themselves let alone express thier own opinions. Everything has to be approved by thier minister. These sissies won't do a damn thing without thier minister. They won't contact anyone. I'll believe they can do any independant thought when we see Rush's show go off the air permanently. But it won't happen. It requires thought.

[Extend a Hand]

4. I agree with you

what an interesting site! thx.

[flordehinojos]

5. there was a bona-fide roman catholic priest (as opposed to the brother

leading the right nutwicks in the schiavo case) earlier on CNN this afternoo. (I have forgotten the priest's name but in adddition to being a roman catholic priest he is also a bioethicist. He said that the catholic church acknowledges that there are circumstances when it is allowable not to tube feed people and allows for the removal of their tubes, and he said his own living will provides for such a circimstance if he should find himself in one.) When Miles O'Brien asked him if the right wing (he might have said Christian Coalition,
or Christian Right, I don't rightly recalled what he called them) was using the Schiavo case to take over the roman catholic belief and push and expand their agenda, the priest stated that the right wing christians "have already taken over american politics, it is possible that they are doing the same with long held catholic believes", at which point, Miles O'Brien thanked him without further ado and moved right on to what he called "breaking news"--which was breaking news but only a meteorological report on the Indonesia earthquake.
Funny that Miles O'Brien feld the need to end the interview right then and there ...... IT WAS SO DARN OBVIOUS HE WANTED TO CENSOR THE PRIEST WHO'D MOVED TO TRUTHFULLY AND HONESTLY ANSWERING A QUESTION ADDRESSING OUR CURRENT POLITICAL CIRCUMSTANCES IN THESE HERE UNITED STATES?

IS MILES O'BRIEN BEING PAID TO FURTHER THE BUSH/RIGHT WING AGENDA?

[Warpy]

6. High time.

It's time for mainstream Christians to reject fattening the rich and destroying the environment as the poor and sick are criminalized by the far right lunatics.

They've been silent too long.

[One_Life_To_Give]

7. Think the UCC already started

The current ad campaign by the United Church of Christ does a fair job at this. But I may be a bit biased.

[Amy6627]

8. Yes, the United Church of Christ is doing a great job! But, like

everything else, the average person (Christian) must speak out on what is wrong with the RR and their followers when they have the chance. The Siva case is an excellent opportunity for real Christians to speak out and expose this administrations real agenda which is to get Right Wing nuts into our judicial system. If they Whenever I'm at a MoveOn.org meeting or get on a talk radio (lefty of course), I always say I am a Christian and what the RR is doing has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity and I explain why.

[Malva Zebrina]

9. I am not a Christian

but I do think I have something in common with you and that is the issue of the separation of church and state.

I would hope for your cause that you investigate into the faith based charity money being given out by EXECUTIVE ORDER of George Bush--in other words, he is giving out billions of tax payer money to churches by his own arbitrary choice, who in return, if they want to continue to receive this government welfare,and believe me, the attachment to that funding will become addictive, will preach as part of their sermons and in their bible classes, support of the fascist government that is so Christian in it's largesse as to afford them money to continue their missions, their bible publishing and etc. etc.

This is wrong and eventually will lead to the destruction of Christianity as you seem to think it is, and is a violation of the separation of church and state and this needs to be stopped if any Christian hopes to regain the tenets of their religion from fascist prone religious beliefs.

If you or your church desires that money, then your cause will be lost and this is just my two cents. I would seek to find out how your particular church feels about serving or repayment to the government or the state, in order to get funding for it's causes and make a decision as to if this is really the direction a church should go.

Good luck

[Amy6627]

10. I totally agree with you! Those "Faith Based" grants are

definitely against the Constitution. And I don't know if you knew this, but not one dime has been given to a Jewish organizations or to Muslims. But they have given money to the Moonies! They are such hypocrites it makes me crazy!

Here is a great website, Americans United for Separation of Church and State: au.org

[Malva Zebrina]

11. I have been reading them for years

and have contributed to them.

[saltpoint]

12. A respectable & encouraging summons, Amy6627.

More power to ya.

[RiDuvessa]

13. Hear, Hear!

Just like some are calling for moderate Muslims to stand up against the extremists, we need to call upon liberal Christians to stand up against the televangelists and right wing loons who are hijacking are faith.

[grannylib]

14. 21st Century Pharisees and false prophets is what they are.

I cannot stomach the way they have corrupted faith and the name of Christianity with their hatred and hypocrisy.
Another good organization to check out is sojourners.com

[DemBones DemBones]

15. Just be aware that there are

disability rights activists protesting against the killing of Terri Schiavo.

Disability rights activists have common cause with Terri because she is profundly disabled -- not a "vegetable," a disabled person -- and we don't want euthanasia of the disabled to become accepted in this society.

This case has a lot of "bioethicists" offering opinions, people like Art Caplan, seen on cable news (I think both CNN and MSNBC.) He opines that there's no reason to keep Terri alive. What cable news doesn't tell you is that Caplan supports "futile care laws" which include the one in Texas that last week allowed a hospital to kill a baby boy despite his mother's wishes that he be kept on a ventilator. In other words, Caplan supports the health care megalopoly, not human lives or humane ethics.

The MEDIA is, as usual, misleading the public, in this case by making it seem that this is solely a concern for right wing Christians and by almost never mentioning all the disability activist disapproval of the courts' decision to allow Terri Schiavo to be put to death on the basis of hearsay testimony.

Standing up against the Christian right is all fine and well but don't ignore the disabled. Jesus wouldn't.

[Discord]

16. The TURNING POINT has arrived.

If you all plan on doing something... better make it fast.

New Bill introduced that will officially make this country a Theocracy.

Read all about it here.


http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=104&ItemID=7569

[Tux]

17. Er OK

restricts federal courts from recognizing the laws of foreign countries and international law as the supreme law of our land."

So genocide would be OK? How about international copyright infringements that go on daily? Could corporations sue them or just let them continue? I see this pissing off the corporate sponsors of the Republicians real quick.

Just how our new Sovereign Source of Government's advocacy of public executions for adultery, gay-ness, contraception and blasphemy will fit into our current corrections system still remains to be seen.

This is what Joe BLow gets for being too lazy and stupid to check facts before voting. I'm sure they'll appreciate the joblessness, debt, and thier kids being killed either by Iraqis or by Christians who want to save thier souls.

[Kat45]

18. How is that RESTORING the Constitution?

I don't recall seeing a theocracy outlined in the Constitution. And what about the Bill of Rights? Do they plan to throw that out as being an invalid addition to the Constitution?

Shit, that's scary stuff.

[SeanQ]

20. This is something we can _all_ voice disent about,

but I'll certainly try to make sure the UUA puts some effort into opposing it. Though within the legal limits as a non-taxed religious organization I think that amounts to a little public awaerness effort about the bill - but even that will help!

Thanks for posting this link Discord!

[renaissanceguy]

21. I wonder if constitutionally this Act could be

overturned by the SC. After all, it is not being embedded in the constitution. And I highly doubt the SC will just sit back and let Congressional nutcases take their power away.

[SeanQ]

22. links

http://www.iotconline.com/events.php?event_id=24
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/ConstitutionRestorationAct.htm
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/cw_conrestore021704.html
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/kdaly/2005/krd_03281.shtml

And more available of course via google. Three of those links are for the bill. I find it helps on things like this to get a handle on what the neocon and deminionists are hoping for.

There seems to be a consensus on liberal blogs. I certainly hope it doesn't, but it's certainly important enough to make sure it doesn't! And publishing the final roll-call will help indicate who in congress are truly anti-american and want to overthrow 200 years of painful progress in civil rights.

[SeanQ]

19. I agree and do,

as do many others. But we have two significant obstacles as I see things. First, the main-steam media seems reluctant to report the views of any Christian or Christian group that are not in line with the far-rights agenda; I see a couple examples pointed out in other responses. Some broadcast networks even refused to air the paid commercials by the UCC!!! We are hamstrung from getting out the truth about Christ and Christianity (or any other religion/spiritual path) by the same corporations that refuse to report the truth or give voice to our countries more progressive (or even moderate) voices! I think this conservative, corporate stranglehold on the media is our countries #1 problem, and is, IMHO, a large reason why fringe groups of religious and pro-business fanatics have been able to sieze so much control.

Second, a lot of the money and influence being used to apply pressure on the media and government is being funneled not through any mainstream or even moderate Christian denominations, but through fringe groups (such as the dominionists (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7&rnd=1112887778015&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1040)) and super-churches. This means that most moderate and progressive Christians can exert no direct influence on those groups (indeed, those groups would probably just consider us heretics, at best). But we can and should continue to push our own denominations and churches to speak out.

For liberal Christians of a more Evangelical bent, I highly recommend Sojourners (http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm).

Personally I see myself as more of a Deist that relates to the divine most strongly through the teachings of Christ, so I think of myself as a Christian (though an Evangelical likely wouldn't). So while I find Sojourners an interesting resource, I'm still looking for something similar but less ... born-again? ;) that I could support more directly.