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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:38 PM
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There's a manger scene
in the front window of our city hall. I thought this was illegal.

I just found it odd.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:41 PM
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1. Get some real live goats and let them eat the hay.
Goats were in the real manger, though as I doubt any of the originals still exist, it'd be easier to find some of their descendents...
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:42 PM
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2. Not illegal at all.
They can be part of a display with other holiday decorations, or they can be paid for by private donations. Nothing illegal about it at all, after all, it is Christmas time.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:47 PM
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6. this is largely a *local* issue
some communities do NOT allow them on 'public' land, others do.

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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:39 PM
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12. If there is any kind of display
and a private group wants to fund a manger display the local gov't has to allow it.
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DustMolecule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:00 AM
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14. Really? A private group can fund a display on public property?
Like if I wanted to advertise my insurance company (just an example) on the lawn of my city hall, they would have to allow it????


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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:44 PM
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3. this is the part i dont like. leave the mangers alone
and the jewish representative of their holiday alone, and all that have no faith, just enjoy the joy, and if you cant enjoy the joy, then be a hum bug.

someone isnt going to want us to put up lites somewhere along the way. leave it alone

imho...........lol lol lol
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:50 PM
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8. So what should a Satanist do?
Not that I am one.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:45 PM
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4. ask if you can add a few things to it
menorah
creasant moon
statue of Isis
pentagram
kachinas
you know, the usual stuff ;)
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DustMolecule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:46 PM
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5. So many other real big problems to think about
I agree with some of the other posters, enjoy if you like...ignore it, if you don't. It really doesn't do any harm. There are far greater issues out there that cause REAL harm to our society.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:50 PM
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9. You're right that it doesn't do any harm per se, but...
I object to the constant nibbling away at the separation of church and state.

Frankly, if my town hall had a manger scene, I'd probably ignore it, because I have a full life as is.

But I'm not sure we should get complacent about it. The separation of church and state is there for the good of religion as much as for the good of government.

2-cents
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:03 PM
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11. That's what bothers me.
I consider myself a Christian. I believe in Jesus. So why did this make me do a double-take? I feel the same way I do when I drive by a store that has a sign in the window saying "God Bless America"

I used to be proud of these displays in public. Now I'm just suspicious of them. I resent the fact that the fundies are making me feel this way.
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DustMolecule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:56 PM
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13. I agree, it really shouldn't be there (in the window of city hall)...
...or around city hall at all. And I agree with what you said so well, that "The separation of church and state is there for the good of religion as much as for the good of government. I suppose I responded too quickly to this post.

I hope the original poster will send some sort of letter to his town so that they can 're-think' the city policy for next year. Maybe something like, what does not belong?:

Manger scene in front of church in town (Yeah!)

Manger scene in front of private home in town (Yeah!)

Manger scene in front of city hall (does not belong here - Boo!)
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:49 PM
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7. My guess is it would only be a problem ...
if someone of a non-Christian religion that had a winter holiday asked to have its tradition represented and was refused. Otherwise, it's usually not an issue -- as long as they haven't refused a menorah or something.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:01 PM
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10. Yeah, I agree w/posters on requesting other religious displays
Should you, of course, feel like doing anything at all.
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