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AZgirl7 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:14 AM
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America-The Final Nail in the Coffin
The New Crime of Thinking
by Gary D. Barnett, February 1, 2008

It looks like the term “thought police” just might take on a whole new and real meaning. This depends on what happens in the U.S. Senate after receiving House bill H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. This act (now S-1959 — Senate version) is now being considered by Senate committees and, if passed by the Senate and signed by the president, will become law. Common sense would indicate that something this vague and dangerous would not make it out of committee, but considering that the House passed it on October 23 with 404 ayes, 6 nays, and 22 present/not voting, I’m not holding my breath.

The most disturbing aspects of this bill, and there are many, are the definitions noted in Section 899a. The three offenses defined in this document that will warrant prosecution are:

“Violent Radicalization: The term ‘violent radicalization’ means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.”

“Homegrown Terrorism: The term ‘homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”

“Ideologically based violence: The term ‘ideologically based violence’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual’s political, religious, or social beliefs.”

Besides the fact that this Act would greatly expand an already monstrous bureaucracy (Homeland Security Act of 2002), it is on its very face a threat to all ideological thinking not approved by the state. Any citizen at any given time could be considered a terrorism suspect and accused or prosecuted for “bad” thoughts. Since the very act of thinking could now be considered a crime, how would the populace react to this new paradigm? Would political debate among the citizenry become more subdued? Would watch groups, whether police or private, arise to monitor individual and group conversations? Would speaking out and writing against the government become a dangerous activity?

The language contained in this proposed legislation is not only vague, it is also broad, sweeping, and unclear. The tenebrous and obscure nature of the above definitions is obviously not an accident. The broader the net, the more who are caught; the more who are caught, the more who live in fear of being caught. Ambiguity and fear are mighty deterrents, and ambiguity and fear foster obedience. In this case, unconditional obedience to the mighty state and its many dictates.

In the definition of “violent radicalization,” it is a crime to adopt or promote an extremist belief system to facilitate ideologically based violence. Neither “extremist” nor type of political, religious, or social change is defined. And what about “ideologically” based violence? Is it violence to simply advocate radical change that might lead someone else to initiate violence? Who decides what beliefs are okay and what beliefs are not? The state, of course, is the final decider. The door is left open for interpretation, but for interpretation by government only.

“Homegrown terrorism,” although similarly defined, is notable in that it concentrates strictly on U.S.-born, U.S.-raised, or U.S.-based individuals and groups operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States. The Bush administration has had its problems in the courts at times concerning American citizens and their rights, sometimes setting it and its agenda back. This bill could help alleviate those problems. In addition, to intimidate or coerce the U.S. government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives, is forbidden and considered criminal. Let me repeat; to intimidate the government to further political or social objectives is forbidden. If this is allowed to stand, what does it do to demonstration, protest, petition, and the right to assemble?

Remember, this proposed act is attached to the Homeland Security Act of 2002. This is what gives it the teeth so that the enforcers can pursue and detain those considered guilty of holding or promoting an “extremist” belief system or wishing to advance political, religious, or social change. I use the word “enforcers” because this bill allows for the federal authorities, including intelligence and law enforcement, to use any state or local law-enforcement agencies. In addition, the commission may contract to enable enforcement. Also, “The Commission may request directly from any executive department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the Government, information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purposes of this Section.” (Section 899C.) What little privacy still exists will not exist for long with the passage of this bill.

One of the tenets of any totalitarian society is that the citizenry must acquiesce to government control. The state itself is supreme and sovereign, not the people. This has been true throughout history whether it was during Hitler’s, Stalin’s, Mao’s or any other of a number of brutal dictatorial rulers’ reigns. Dissent was stifled, whether it was ideological or physical, and accused parties faced humiliation, incarceration, or death for their unwillingness to conform. Is that where we’re headed?

The newest weapon we have at our disposal in our fight against tyranny is our advanced communication systems, especially the Internet. Reaching untold numbers of persons, something not possible only a few years ago, is now possible because of the Internet. With the mainstream media kowtowing to politicians and government, the Internet has become the major tool for those promoting liberty and truth. It has allowed many brilliant freedom lovers to reach and change minds. Even this has not escaped the watchful eye of Big Brother in this bill. In Section 899B Congress finds the following:

“The internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.”

This bill, if passed into law, will do nothing less than muffle, if not destroy, our ability to speak out against government. Considering the combination of the USA PATRIOT Act, The Homeland Security Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the now-enhanced executive power, adding this single piece of legislation fills the only loophole left. With the passage of this abominable act, all U.S. citizens are at risk, not just those few radical persons and foreigners spoken about by government, but all of us. This very article could be considered as ideologically based violence, subjecting me to punishment by government. This could be the final piece of the puzzle.

This new proposed legislation will help an already tyrannical government in its effort to become supreme.

Gary D. Barnett is president of Barnett Financial Services, Inc., in Lewistown, Montana. Send him email.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:20 AM
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1. So Randall Terry better watch out!
Or not.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:06 AM
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2. The Committee of Five must be feeling very restless in their graves.
Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Livingston, and Sherman would be appalled that such words are even being discussed, and the idea that they may potentially become law would sadden and enrage them beyond words.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


They risked their lives to establish our freedoms, and bit by bit "we" have allowed their work to be undone.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:17 AM
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3. Kick This one up again pleese!
I am SO right there with you...

I ask what we can do in light of recent events and the awesomely awful we have seen surface in recent times. (Either the shit is really hitting the fan or have I just not been paying attention..?)

I know that our founders wrote our Constitution to avoid JUST this sort of thing hapening...
and now our government has just passed law after law to make it against the law to hold them accountable, and remove them from power if they aren't.

Why is Congress afraid to Impeach? Maybe because they know it would "destabilize" our already weakening country and their fragile hold on control...believe me, things are going to get wore before they shift...and then all bets are off.

"If you aren't SCARED, You aren't paying ATENTION..." - me (also insert PISSED, NAUSEOUS, REVOLUTIONARY...ect)
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 10:05 AM
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4. It is for Empire but we should know we have no voice
Subject: None dare call it treason


It is not enough that Afro-Americans have to fight for their right to have their vote counted but now we find none of our votes count since a few elite determine our government policy and goals. The elections are all "dog and pony shows" with the winner only a figure head of the elite. Some elite rule are not even American or in America's interest but EU royals.

How is this done? By the following groups in secret behind closed doors:

WTO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTO Rule by the elite Europeans in Geneva. No wonder we haven't won a trade deal...ever.
The Council on Foreign Relations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations,
The Bilderberg Group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group,
Trilateral Commission http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission,
PNAC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNAC
G8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G8

Many of these members are not elected to make decisions for our government today. They are private citizens like David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, etc. Many are x-members of administrations, bankers, business people, etc. who just can't give up their power or want to get it under handed. Even President Bush can not make any kind of treaties, trade deals, etc. without Congressional approval or citizen input. They divide up the world among themselves for Empire.

I read that during the Adams administration a private citizen tried to do a deal with a foreign country in America's behalf? It was done in secret and behind closed doors. The John Adams Law? Just recently Leader Pelosi strengthened it. But no one has said that the members are treasonous and even illegal to do so. Why is that when they are destroying our democracy and stealing our wealth for themselves? Can you remember what law that is? We should demand these groups and plans be declared illegal and even treasonous to our country. The corporate influence is especially troublesome since it is Fascism.

"We the people" rule in a modern democracy. Not we the few elite who grab power. They make a mess of the world. The elite power rule is not a good one contrary to their arrogance and mind set. They are high priced crooks and gangs. They are above all else traitors. They belong at the Hague.

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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 12:06 AM
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5. Remember when they promised us they weren't taking
away our rights but going after "foreign terrorists"? Seems they lied. It is an attempt to remove our rights and Constitution. It is a coup by the elite.

We had a right to be concerned. Now the Senate gives Bush what he wants. Where is that Lieberman vote to protect our interests? Na Da!
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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:35 AM
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6. Wow. Dissent is now terrorism.
Way to go, democracy.
This place is changing faster than people realize.
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Tommy Jefferson Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:31 AM
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7. Perhaps
Governments seek one thing, to govern a.k.a. control a.k.a. to amass power.

If we desire less control of our daily lives, perhaps we should reduce the size and power of the government.
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Carmenzabono Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:18 PM
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8. That is why we need to elect a Democrat
To make things better.
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