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Getchasome Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:06 PM
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If you know any fundies, ask them if they believe the earth is flat,
because they must. If they don't then the Bible is flawed. I got into an argument this weekend with a fundie and they said it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that the earth is flat. I had some examples ready and he didn't know what to say. I love it. Here are some samples to arm anyone incase you encounter one of these dolts.

"he devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them"
(Matthew 4:1-12)

Certainly, if the earth were flat, standing atop "an exceedingly high mountain" would allow Jesus to see the whole earth, but there is no mountain tall enough to allow him to see the other side of a spherical earth. At most, one hemisphere would be seen, but not the other, unless the Bible is teaching us that Jesus has Superman-like "X-ray vision" which enabled him to see through the earth to the other side.


The other passage is in Daniel:

The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)

The "whole" earth? No matter how tall the tree was, it would not have been visible from the other side of the earth.


Hopeful believers in the scientific wisdom found in the Bible ignore the verse above and point to a verse in Isaiah which they think shows that the Bible writers knew the earth was a sphere. They believe that the word "circle" could actually mean "sphere," since both are round, but they ignore Isaiah's use of a different word in another verse where he speaks of a "ball." Here are the two verses:


To whom then will ye liken God? ....It is he that sitteth upon the circle (chuwg) of the earth (Isaiah 40:18-23
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL (duwr) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)



The Hebrew word used in scripture for "circle" in the verse above is chuwg. If the Bible writer had meant for us to believe that "circle of the earth" meant that the earth was round, the writer would have used the Hebrew word for "ball," which is duwr. The fact that Isaiah didn't use duwr shows that he wasn't trying to tell us the earth was like a ball.

Furthermore, there exists a simple interpretation of "circle of the earth" which does not imply a spherical earth. On a hill overlooking a wide expanse free of tall trees and other hills the horizon appears as a perfect circle, 360 degrees of blue sky. If Isaiah meant to tell us the earth was a globe, he would have used another word. A circle is not a ball, nor is a ball a circle. Everyone knew what a "circle" was in those times; it meant the same then as it means today.

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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:09 PM
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1. How DARE you claim that the earth is round?!?!?
Of course it is flat.

Quick, let's grab all those evil books and rip out the offending pages. No, better yet, let's burn all science books. All we need to know is contained in the GOoD book. Any contrary evidence is sinful.

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Unstuck In Time Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:14 PM
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3. What? What? Are you saying you want to READ the bible?
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 01:15 PM by Unstuck In Time


Begone, evildoer! There is no need for us peasants to read! The priest-caste will tell us what to think, and why! They know what angry-sky-father says, and there's no need for us to go rooting around, trying to find out for ourselves.
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eataTREE Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:11 PM
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2. Don't forget, the sun goes around the Earth, too.
Joshua 10:13 -- "So the sun stood still in the midsts of Heaven, and hasted not to go down about a full day."
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:41 PM
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18. LOLOLOLOL
I love it.
Now, is the sun on a ring or a string? And what keeps it from burning up?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:15 PM
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4. They even have a web site
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:22 PM
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5. Don't forget the other branches.
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:23 PM
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6. Exactly how tall would
the tower of Babel be before it hit the heaven? we've been pretty high now.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:33 PM
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9. Well you have to watch out for the "firmament"
You'll hit your head.

--IMM
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:23 PM
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7. Remember, it's Common Sense that tells you the world is flat
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:25 PM
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8. Naah. They're wrong. The only truth is the TIME CUBE!!!
NATURE'S HARMONIC
SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY
TIME CUBE

www.timecube.com

Love that site.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:37 PM
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10. I am dizzy from my visit to the time cube.
It's good though.

--IMM
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:45 PM
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12. Oh lordy, not him again...
..Evil educators refuse to recognize
the wisest of humans to ever exist.
My magnificent creation of 4
simultaneous 24 hour days within
a single rotation of Earth, debunks
the puny 1-day rotation of a fake
word god and stupid educators.
Nature has no choice but to bring
forth a hell upon evil cubelessness.
Know it to be of your own making.

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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:16 PM
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16. I know. Isn't he wonderfully insane?
I always end up laughing my ass off when I go there.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:01 PM
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17. What a hoot!
great scott, great site. I plan to study cubes from now on.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:57 PM
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19. Now my head hurts! WTF?
:wtf: :crazy: :silly: :shrug:
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Trumanway Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:40 PM
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11. I don't recommend that anyone...
deliberately poke fundamentalists with hard science deconstruction of Biblical verses dependent upon the exact definition of words translated or untranslated.

Remember there are layers of hard science, and the rules change as you go through them. For example relativity and probability easily explain why Jesus could see the back of his own head or the other side of the globe. It is a matter of faith that He had the vision of God, and the power of God's vision, and you cannot hard science deconstruct faith.

Often the end goal of improving conditions for humans is shared by Christians and liberals and I believe it is wise to engage fundamentalists on those issues rather than make jest of their intelligence and faith.

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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:47 PM
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14. Creationists should be made fun of at every opportunity.
Fuck 'em.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:15 PM
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15. I second the notion
They are causing more damage to our yutes than we know. Now some town in Pennsylvania is being turned into freeper central, with creationism and intelligent design being taught as Science.

The last two hold-outs quit the school board after they changed the curriculum to a "christian-based" program. A public school system, no less.

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TaraMoon Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:00 PM
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21. More effective
It's far more effective to laugh at fundamentalist
non-scientific beliefs than debate them based on either
science or a literal reading of the Bible. They are not
equipped to engage in either of the latter and will simply
turn off their little minds.  However, they don't like to be
laughed at.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:47 PM
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13. Blasphemer!
One of the first lessons of the Bible.......do NOT eat from the tree of knowledge. YOU have obviously eaten from said tree, and in doing so are hereby condemned to......................DEATH! :nuke:

Now just sit there patiently until the lightning bolts hit you dearie. ;)
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:01 PM
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20. Hannity asked to define "End of Times" - by Sam Seder on AAR last night
Didn't hear it myself, read here about it. Apparently Sam stumped the BFEE blowhard on this - which is a good beginning.
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