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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:45 PM
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Major Anomaly In Chandler's Wobble - 2005/2006
since I would have no idea about this maybe someone here could comment, please?

Thanks
SLaD

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/polarmotion/2006_wobble_anomaly.htm

last revised February 8, 2006

The Earth’s Wobble Has Paused
What this portends, no one knows.

(ECB – February 8, 2006, MWM) For at least three and a half weeks there has been almost no movement of the spin axis in the normal spiral track of Chandler’s Wobble. See an extensive analysis of the pause in the wobble as of February 8, 2006 at the website. It is also being sent to subscribers via email directly after this Bulletin.

For the past 21 days there has been no discernable wobble motion in the Earth. Have we come to a profound change in the geophysics of the Earth? Why this sudden change in what usually has been for the past 100 years or more a fairly regular, fairly predictable wobble track.

As is well known, the wobble is generated by the differential pulling of the Moon and the Sun on the Earth's equatorial bulge (and any other concentrations of mass in or on the Earth). This differential pulling is caused by the oblique angles of the orbital planes which bring the Sun and the Moon alternatively above and below the equator, thus tending through orbital time to push one side of the Earth or the other to move faster or slower than the other side to the North or to the South.

The Earth's Wobble has a 7 year cycle which produces two extremes, a small spiraling wobble circle and a large spiraling wobble circle, about 3.5 years apart. The Earth was in October 2005 moving into the small spiraling circle (the MIN phase of the wobble), which should have slowly unfolded during 2006 and the first few months of 2007. (Each spiraling circle takes about 14 months).

But suddenly at the beginning of November 2005, the track of the location of the spin axis veered at a very sharp right angle to its circling motion. The track of the spin axis began to slow down and by about January 8, 2006, it ceased nearly all relative motion on the x and y coordinates which are used to define the daily changing location of the spin axis.

One can see this effect by looking at the graphs on this page:

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/topten_monitor.htm
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MsKandice01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:57 PM
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1. I found this on Wikipeda when I looked up Chandler's Wobble..
During the first hour of the national radio broadcast of Coast to Coast AM on January 28, 2006, Lloyd Stewart Carpenter reported that the Chandler wobble has stopped (i.e., its amplitude has reduced to zero) -- which could be a harbinger of a catastrophic pole shift. This is however completely unfounded speculation as the actual recorded data shows no indication that the wobble has stopped, or shows any signs of stopping. If it did stop for any length of time this would be of great interest in gaining a better understanding the causes, but would not cause any catastrophic changes in the overall rotation axis of the planet.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandler_wobble
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:03 PM
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3. The more we find out, the more we realize we don't know
and that is the process of education.

No wonder the pubbies hate it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 09:00 PM
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10. Thanks MsKandice01
very kind of you to take the time
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:03 PM
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2. could H.A.A.R.P. and its billion watts of power being shot into
the electro-jet be a cause? even the makers of HAARP don't understand all the ramifications of what its doing
hmm...
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 08:03 PM
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7. No.
Besides the fact that it's unlikely that ionospheric activity could affect the Earth's spin, HAARP is a relatively small energy input at only 3.6 megawatts, as compared to the continous influx of solar energy.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 09:37 PM
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11. Ok I'll go for that...can always count on a good answer from DU-ers.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:56 PM
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4. Without drifting into Cayce's drivel...
(I though this was the science forum?)

From Mystery of wobbly Earth solved

The century-old mystery of why the Earth 'wobbles' has been solved by a NASA scientist studying the behaviour of oceans.

The Chandler wobble, named after its 1891 discoverer, Seth Carlo Chandler Jr, is one of several wobbles the Earth makes as it rotates on its axis. Scientists who have been aware of its presence, for more than 100 years, have been stumped on the reasons for the effect.

Now, Dr Jeff Gross from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory says the wobble is due to an ocean running hot and cold and the vagaries of changing oceanic circulation. His research will published in the August edition of the (US)Geophysical Research Letters.


This would therefore suggest some change in ocean currents, which is potentially... interesting.

I can't get any of the data plots to open, though, so I couldn't really say.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 08:59 PM
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9. So sorry Dead_Parrot
I KNOW this is a science forum. That's why I thought I could come here and ask a question because as I stated I did not know anything about this. I was looking for an informed opinion not sarcasm.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 10:30 PM
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12. Sorry, I retract that comment...
It was directed at the article: This could be quite disburbing news, and it troubles me that the only site I've found (excluding the associated Wiki) reporting it seems to be fixated on Cayce: Where the hell are the mainstream press articles? If the planet's changed it's movement I damn well want to know about it...

Thank you for unearthing it :)
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 07:03 PM
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5. Well, there are other things pointing towards a pole shift. nt
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 04:59 AM
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15. "pole shift" is magnetic, not geographic.
it has nothing to to with the wobble.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 09:26 AM
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17. Quote:
"Another candidate I can find is the rapid shift in the location of True Magnetic North Pole. It is now driving to the Spin Axis at the rate of 40 kilometers per year, according to geophysicists in Canada, after accelerating gradually since the mid-1930’s. This is not a spurious nor trivial change. Something profound stirs literally in the depths of the Earth. Mass polarization and electron flow have to change somewhere in the Earth in large quantities to produce this shift in the True Magnetic North Pole. One elementary way to see this is as “circuits” of electrical flow that have changed orientation inside the Earth. Only a change in actual MASS relationships can produce this circuit change. Since this is electromagnetism, we know we are looking at changes in the heavy metals, primarily the nickel-iron. What the change is, is anyone’s guess. Whatever, the result we can observe in the changing position of True Magnetic North. Has THIS mass change produced the counter force which has neutralized the wobble?"

From the article.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 09:42 AM
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18. ok, but that doesn't mean the geographic poles will flip along with
the magnetic poles.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 10:16 AM
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19. And a good thing too.
That would most likely be very disruptive on the surface of the planet.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 11:53 AM
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20. indeed it would
:)
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 08:02 PM
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6. Do you have any references other than that site?
I was skimming over that article with some mild interest (although not really convinced of much of anything) until the author started talking about Edgar Cayce. Is there a scientific reference?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 08:06 PM
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8. This sounds like conspiracy theory stuff.
Frankly, I can't find any other reference to this except for a claim made on notoriously insane radio program Coast to Coast AM, which makes be suspicious that it's an untruth circulating though the conspiracy theory crowd.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 10:32 PM
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13. It depends...
...on if it's real. I haven't been able to get the original data, so I'm neither here nor there on the issue. If true, it worries me: If not... Well, you can work it out. :D
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 05:01 AM
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16. if real, i'd expect it mentioned by geographic research institutes
which apparently it isn't.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:39 AM
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14. no one has any idea what this, if true, actually means . . . however . . .
any significant change in the behavior of the planet should be cause for intense interest and at least cautionary concern . . . and the notion that we can control whatever the effects of the change may turn out to be is just hubris . . . Earth is much, much bigger (and likely smarter) than humankind, and if she wants to do something that is not healthy for children and other living things, there isn't a damned thing we can do about it . . .
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 04:10 PM
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21. This is garbage.
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 04:13 PM by rayofreason
The link take you to a page that links you to Edgar Cayce nonsense. That by itself is enough. But add a connection to Coast-to-Coast interview with a guy who claims to have discovered a face on the Pacific floor (no need to go to Mars!) and you have total tinfoil haberdashery.

Here is the link to Carpenter's book.

http://www.spiralupdatenews.com/bookord.html

LOL!!!!!

(edited to add book link)
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