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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 06:51 AM
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What do you get if you divide science by God?
A prize-winning quantum physicist says a spiritual reality is veiled from us, and science offers a glimpse behind that veil. So how do scientists investigating the fundamental nature of the universe assess any role of God, asks Mark Vernon.

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In an effort to seek the answers to the "meaning of physics", he spoke to five leading scientists.

1. THE ATHEIST

Nobel-prize winning physicist Steven Weinberg is well-known as an atheist. For him, physics reflects the "chilling impersonality" of the universe.

He would be thinking here of, say, the vast tracts of empty space, billions of light years across, that mock human meaning.

He says: "The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it seems pointless."

So for Weinberg, the notion that there might be an overlap between science and spirituality is entirely mistaken.

2. THE SCEPTIC

The Astronomer Royal and President of the Royal Society, Martin Rees, shows a distinct reserve when speculating about what physics might mean, whether that be pointlessness or meaningfulness.

He has "no strong opinions" on the interpretation of quantum theory: only time will tell whether the theory becomes better understood.

"The implications of cosmology for these realms of thought may be profound, but diffidence prevents me from venturing into them," he has written.

In short, it is good to be humble in the face of the mysteries that physics throws up.

3. THE PLATONIST

Oxford physicist Roger Penrose differs again. He believes that mathematics suggests there is a world beyond the immediate, material one.
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Can science explain all of life's meaning?

Ask yourself this question: would one plus one equal two even if I didn't think it? The answer is yes.

Would it equal two even if no-one thought it? Again, presumably, yes.

Would it equal two even if the universe didn't exist? That is more tricky to contemplate, but again, there are good grounds for a positive response.

Penrose, therefore, argues that there is what can be called a Platonic world beyond the material world that "contains" mathematics and other abstractions.

4. THE BELIEVER

John Polkinghorne worked on quantum physics in the first part of his career, but then took up a different line of work: he was ordained an Anglican priest. For him, science and religion are entirely compatible.

The ordered universe science reveals is only what you'd expect if it was made by an orderly God. However, the two disciplines are different. He calls them "intellectual cousins".

"Physics is showing the world to be both more supple and subtle, but you need to be careful," he says.

If you want to understand the meaning of things you have to go beyond science, and the religious direction is, he argues, the best.

5. THE PANTHEIST

Brian Swimme is a cosmologist, and with the theologian Thomas Berry, wrote a book called The Universe Story: From the Primordial Flaring Forth to the Ecozoic Era.

It is avidly read by individuals in New Age and ecological circles, and tells the scientific story of the universe, from the Big Bang to the emergence of human consciousness, but does so as a new sacred myth.

Swimme believes that "the universe is attempting to be felt", which makes him a pantheist, someone who believes the cosmos in its entirety can be called God.

Mark Vernon is author of After Atheism: Science, Religion and the Meaning of Life

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7955846.stm
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:35 AM
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1. Apples
That smell like oranges!!!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 07:40 AM
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2. Science IS God
Edited on Thu Mar-26-09 08:19 AM by Demeter
If God is all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, etc, etc, then SCIENCE is God, and the pursuit of knowledge is holy, and technology is miracle-working, and ethics is still the same.


Why Else would the Catholic Church come down on Galileo so hard for so long? The Catholic Church was losing its franchise. Between Science and the Protestant reformers, the Pope could read the writing on the wall, or at least his Jesuits could. The current pope is no different, either.

Why else would the Fundies seek to eliminate science, pervert science, prohibit science, and discredit science in everyday life, especially the areas of women's health and reproduction? Losing their franchise!

Why else would the ignorant and mentally challenged cling to "faith" like a baby's security blanket? Because otherwise, they would have to grow up, deal with Reality, and start using those brains. They would have to be responsible for what they do and what they don't do. That's hard work. It can lose you friends and family. You can die from it, or be hated by strangers. Just like any other religion, you can be prosecuted.

Thing is, we don't make our scientific victims into martyrs. Maybe that's what is needed.

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:38 PM
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3. Infinity
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:24 PM
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4. oops.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:28 AM
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5. fascinating. nt
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